Black Racism, Black Power, Black Fascism - take your pick

[newspresenter]

March 2, 2010 - By Michael Wood - BNP website.
http://bnp.org.uk/files/2010/03/robe...e1-242x300.jpgThe Zimbabwean government enacted a new law yesterday, the Indigenisation and Empowerment Act, which demands that the Black population must own a majority stake of any foreign-owned business operating in the failed state.
Under Sections 3 and 4 of the Act, foreign firms with an asset value in excess of £332,000 will have five years to sell 51% of their business to indigenous Zimbabweans.
Foreign firms have 40 days from today to inform the government of their plans to achieve majority indigenous ownership within five years, fully aware that failure to achieve this could carry a penalty of five years imprisonment.
Peculiarly, the Zimbabwean government defines its indigenous population as anybody who, before independence in 1981, “was subjected to unfair discrimination on the ground of their race, and includes a descendant of such a person”, suggesting that the government does not use the UN definition of indigenous peoples because Europeans claim to have settled in an uninhabited land.
Prime Minister Morgan Tsvangirai rejects the law stating that it was published without due process, but Zimbabwean Dictator Robert Mugabe has threatened businesses that fail to comply, saying they would be ‘foolish’ to resist.
Economists have blasted the move as ‘potentially disastrous’, yet Mugabe’s mouthpiece media have dismissed these claims as the views of ‘Anglo-Saxon racists and colonists’, a position Mugabe repeatedly uses to protect his evil regime from the criticism of the advanced world.
This latest move follows the government’s revenge policy of looting White-owned farms in the country, turning what was once known as the ‘breadbasket of Africa’ into a net importer of food with hyperinflation reaching 98% per day, in November 2008 — the second highest hyperinflation of all time.



Caaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan you imagine the racist Labour party taking 51% of foreign owned businesses and giving it to the white population hehe

[JacquesMagique]

Caaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan you imagine the racist Labour party taking 51% of foreign owned businesses and giving it to the white population hehe

No, thank god.

[DougieG]

Caaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan you imagine the racist Labour party taking 51% of foreign owned businesses and giving it to the white population hehe

No shockingly because they aren't racist.

You've just described Zimbabwe as fascist and racist because of this policy, then implied that the Labour government, who you think are fascist and racist, would never do the same. Sorry NP you're not making sense. Is it because you apply different standards to black and white people? Yes.

[Opinionated]

Can you imagine the racist Labour party taking 51% of foreign owned businesses and giving it to the white population hehe

They're bad but they're not Mugabe bad! Oooh I can see the posters now!

[newspresenter]

No shockingly because they aren't racist.

You've just described Zimbabwe as fascist and racist because of this policy, then implied that the Labour government, who you think are fascist and racist, would never do the same. Sorry NP you're not making sense. Is it because you apply different standards to black and white people? Yes.

A child can workout, that if racist Labour wouldn't do what Mugabe's mob rule book says, that they can still be racists, can you?

A child would also point out, before defending anything, that Mugabe's mob rule book is bad, have the above posters done this?

[DC]

Actually it makes Zimbabwe an Apartheid state, so racist yes, Fascist no.

[DougieG]

A child can workout, that if racist Labour wouldn't do what Mugabe's mob rule book says, that they can still be racists, can you?

A child would also point out, before defending anything, that Mugabe's mob rule book is bad, have the above posters done this?

Are you implying I have the mental age of a child, NP?

Where in my post did I defend Mugabe?

If Labour don't have racist policies then they aren't racist I'm afraid.

[newspresenter]

Are you implying I have the mental age of a child, NP?

Where in my post did I defend Mugabe?

If Labour don't have racist policies then they aren't racist I'm afraid.

We all lack the ability to understand certain things, as with your comment, a child could understand what you couldn't.

Do i take it then that you think Mugabe is a racist and a fascist?

Labour do have racist policies, whats more, they're incredibly proud of their racist beliefs.

[DougieG]

We all lack the ability to understand certain things, as with your comment, a child could understand what you couldn't.

Do i take it then that you think Mugabe is a racist and a fascist?

Labour do have racist policies, whats more, they're incredibly proud of their racist beliefs.

Yes I do think Mugabe is a racist fascist, along with pretty much everyone. Labour believe in equality. That's why the law states that everyone is to be treated equally, without specific reference to particular races.

[Kiwi 1691]

This must be hard on NP. NP, would like the idea for more rights for the so called "indigenous" people, unfortunately for NP they are black. As we all know NP can't support black people, even if they carryout the beliefs he espouses.

[newspresenter]

Labour believe in equality. That's why the law states that everyone is to be treated equally, without specific reference to particular races.

How do you equally treat a Australian and a African equally considering their racial difference?

Isn't it the case, that fascist party's like Labour, use sympathetic words like equality to make people think they 'care'?

The BNP believe that the british should be given equality, for example, a white history month on the BBC, like the black history month programmes, which would create 2 equals, is that the kind of equality Labour believe in?

[newspresenter]

This must be hard on NP. NP, would like the idea for more rights for the so called "indigenous" people, unfortunately for NP they are black. As we all know NP can't support black people, even if they carryout the beliefs he espouses.

I love that kind of response, it means that what im explaining has real substance, because a childish attack is your only option.

I'd love the planet to celebrate black people, so lets celebrate white people too, segregation - it works very well.

[DougieG]

How do you equally treat a Australian and a African equally considering their racial difference?

Very easily because they're both human. I wouldn't treat a black cat any differently to a white cat.

Isn't it the case, that fascist party's like Labour, use sympathetic words like equality to make people think they 'care'?

Yes, but they aren't fascist. Just media spinning politicians.

The BNP believe that the british should be given equality, for example, a white history month on the BBC, like the black history month programmes, which would create 2 equals, is that the kind of equality Labour believe in?

No they don't. The BNP would have NO black history month and they would only teach British history. The only 'black' history would be about how superior they think white people were to be able to destroy Africa. That's much worse than a black history month because currently history is 'white' for eleven months a year and 'white with mention of black people' for one month of the year. Why have either? Why not just teach a range of history, and include incredibly historically important things like the civil rights movement as well as studies on the Anglo-Saxons (which are incidentally much more boring than black rights)? It all seems rather pointless to me, and certainly nothing to do with your original post.

Let's get back to your original post. You say Mugabe is racist for wanting to favour indigenous black people over whites.
At the same time you say the BNP are not racist despite wanting to favour indigenous white people over blacks.
Of course your racism taints your viewpoint, but even you must be able to see how absurd you are.

[newspresenter]

Very easily because they're both human.

So you'd play the Australian national anthem to an African in Africa hehe

Yes, but they aren't fascist.

So fascist Labour creating equality in our society is FALSE, and fascist Labour have intolerant views - fascism - its a dictionary fact of life.

No they don't.

They DO want a white history month.

Why have either?

Why wake up each day?

Why not just teach a range of history

Why not teach white history?

Choice, something you seem very intolerantly fascist of.

Let's get back to your original post. You say Mugabe is racist for wanting to favour indigenous black people over whites.
At the same time you say the BNP are not racist despite wanting to favour indigenous white people over blacks.
Of course your racism taints your viewpoint, but even you must be able to see how absurd you are.

hehe now the blacks are indigenous, but are the whites/british indigenous?
This is the point that you lot fail in, if those blacks are the indigenous, then they have more, for want of a better word/phrase, belonging in their country, more than anyother group of people, just like the white British in Britain.
Ipso-facto, it couldn't be racist, but we don't live in that world, yet.
Is Mugabe a racist for wanting to better his people, would a dad be racist for wanting to better his family race over others?
The far left are scared of defining race, because whichever way they could do so, the indigenous would be able to get round it, or the far left wouldn't be able to defend themselves.

[The Untalented Mr Ripley]

Very easily because they're both human. I wouldn't treat a black cat any differently to a white cat.

Ah yes, but is it an indiginous black or white cat, lol.

http://www.politic.co.uk/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by newspresenter http://www.politic.co.uk/images/butt...post-right.png
Isn't it the case, that fascist party's like Labour, use sympathetic words like equality to make people think they 'care'?



Yes, but they aren't fascist. Just media spinning politicians.

Hmmm, I don't think that Labour are total fascists, but they certainly do have at least fascist tendencies as evidenced by the spread of CCTV, errosion of civil liberties, increase in police powers without any thought for the old addage / concept of policing by consent, centralisation of power and a somewhat stallinist approach to "equality" (which shouldn't be linked in anyway to fairness).

[Streetwalker]

Mugabe is insane. After turning florishing farmlands into wastelands he now is practically saying he wants no forign investment in Zimbabwee.The bloke is off his trolly and is a prime candidate for the regime change list (something that should have been done a long long time ago)

[Greg Lance-Watkins]

Hi,

Robert Mugabe may be insane but he is exceeding clever!

To have held onto power well into his 80s in the volatility of Africa is quite an achievement, all but unsurpassed!

That he has made a fortune in the process speaks volumes and that he has been kept in power by the Chines who have bought Zim outright below the surface is a collosal problem for the future as with Somalia, Sudan, Congo and much else - this may explain for some why no one has done a blind thing about the evils that are killing 100s of 1,000s.

That the genocide of Rwanda is the direct fault of the French as with the instability and insurgency in Congo/Zaire which is a hang over of the catastrophic damage done by the Belgians.

The great problem of Africa is over grazing and over population without a reliable fuel resource.

Regards,
Greg L-W.

[Opinionated]

I love that kind of response, it means that what im explaining has real substance, because a childish attack is your only option.

http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/s...onfused002.gif

hehe now the blacks are indigenous, but are the whites/british indigenous?

Indigenous meaning first people in Britain, seems unlikely, indegenous in so far as longest to colonise and survive here in the majority yes I guess so, but why should that matter?

This is the point that you lot fail in, if those blacks are the indigenous, then they have more, for want of a better word/phrase, belonging in their country, more than anyother group of people, just like the white British in Britain.

Oh by simple virtue of the colour of their skin got you! But why is that not racist, favouring one over the other like that? The white farmers in Zimbabwe knew how to make the land flourish and contributed positively to the countries economy, now if you go far enough back then of course there were injustices to Black people and of course (as was so often the case in African parts of Western empires) the indegenous people were playing catch up and they needed help to redress terrible inequalities, this was bound to cause tensions. What shouldn't be done is throw out people with very specific skills and lots to offer and then give it to people who don't know what they are doing; that's short sighted and just plain stupid (and evil imo). In the same way it would be a disaster if all the non- whites were forced out of Britain taking their skills with them, the NHS would collapse without the best anaesthetists, senior nurses and midwives just for a start. What I think the left really want to see is a society were everyone is judged on what they can offer individually not the colour of their skin, gender, race or religion - that's not racist in fact it's the very opposite!

Is Mugabe a racist for wanting to better his people, would a dad be racist for wanting to better his family race over others?

No but he is racist in wanting it at the total destruction of others.
Although there is some debate, as you would expect about such a controversial figure, Mugabe is often presented as a once honourable man gone wrong due to the excesses of power (bit like Castro in that respect - and perhaps that's the problem with revolution, once you start on that path you can't find the right place to stop).
The almost beautiful irony NP is that when you argue that we should mirror the actions of despots in this country you negate any previous argument you have made declaring yourself to be the opposite of a fascist or racist! Not one person here has argued that Mugabe is in the right, that he isn't racist or a despot (be really interesting if we did currently have any hard line revolutionary communists hiding out there who would) , but you continue to insist that the left does just that.

[Kiwi 1691]

Obviously it is bad, not in a NP way ("OMG, a black man did somehting")

More in a it's making the economy over their even worse way.

Stock Exchange Suffers Big Losses over Indigenization Law

Trading on Zimbabwe's stock exchange has plummeted from a daily average of US$2 million to US$500 000, since a controversial empowerment law was published. Emmanuel Munyukwi, the chief executive of the stock exchange, confirmed the development to the South African Mail and Guardian newspaper.


Mugabe's party railroaded the Indigenization and Economic Empowerment Bill into law, despite fierce resistance from their MDC coalition partners. The law requires all foreign investors to cede 51 percent of their investment to 'indigenous' people. It was passed through parliament in 2007 when ZANU PF still had a majority in parliament and ran government alone.
The regulations were deliberately 'smuggled' into law on Monday this week despite the formation of a coalition government, almost 3 years after the bill originally sailed through parliament. Already the stock exchange has seen 10 straight days of losses. Nervous investors are now shunning the stock exchange and this prompted Youth and Empowerment Minister Savior Kasukuwere to meet officials there to discuss possible temporary reprieves.


Industry and Trade Minister Welshman Ncube however said Kasukuwere had prematurely published the regulations when they were still before the Cabinet Committee on Legislation. Prime Minister Morgan Tsvangirai was meant to chair a Council of Ministers meeting on Thursday to discuss the controversial law but no details of that were released. Kasukuwere however remained adamant there would be 'no going back' on the law.
Writing in his weekly column for the Zimbabwe Independent newspaper, economic analyst Eric Bloch said; 'After only three weeks, it is irrefutably evident that the ill effects of the regulations upon the economy are monolithic in extent, and are set to bring the near-total demise of an economy which had begun to recover from decades of gross mismanagement and abuse.'

Bloch argued that with 'lighting speed' government had destroyed foreign investor confidence, frozen all lines of credit, intensified Zimbabwe's isolation and motivated many companies to reconsider their operations in the country. This he said would add to unemployment and exacerbate the poverty, misery, suffering and malnutrition of the majority of the population.
Blogger Freeman Chari weighed in with his views arguing, 'If ZANU PF is serious about black empowerment I challenge it to walk the talk and begin by accepting that most of the damage to black entrepreneurship in the past 30 years was due to its bad governance and impunity. After that we share its proceeds of corruption and plunder before we demand the 51% from foreigners!'

[newspresenter]

Hmmm, I don't think that Labour are total fascists, but they certainly do have at least fascist tendencies as evidenced by the spread of CCTV, errosion of civil liberties, increase in police powers without any thought for the old addage / concept of policing by consent, centralisation of power and a somewhat stallinist approach to "equality" (which shouldn't be linked in anyway to fairness).

You can't be a half fascist, you're either described by definition or you aint, those racists in the Labour party love fascism, its a fact of life.

[newspresenter]

Indigenous meaning first people in Britain

White hetrosexual british born people - indigenous.

but why should that matter?

Why should it matter where you sleep at night?

But why is that not racist, favouring one over the other like that?

Choice, like prefering red sauce to brown sauce, freedom to choose, human right, freedom, choice, independence, free will, choice, not dictated to, choice, freedom to think for yourself, choice.

In the same way it would be a disaster if all the non- whites were forced out of Britain taking their skills with them, the NHS would collapse without the best anaesthetists, senior nurses and midwives just for a start.

Better we take qualified doctors and nurses from poor countries and force a medical nightmare on African's etc, than we suffer?
Better that we train our unemployed to fill vacancies rather than pay income support to fund their existence?
Whats the equasion per unemployed to the foreign worker?
Whats the overall loss £?
Does that loss contribute to us having a better life?
Help kill off those in Africa by voting Labour/Conservative/Lib Dems/Greens/UKIP/Respect/SNP...

The almost beautiful irony NP is that when you argue that we should mirror the actions of despots in this country

HEY??, what? eh?

you continue to insist that the left does just that.

A choice between him and Griffin, you choose Mugface cos he's black and foreign, when infact, Griffin is more like you.

[Opinionated]

White hetrosexual british born people - indigenous.

Oh that's just totally pathetic!

Why should it matter where you sleep at night?

As long as it's dry, warm, safe and I can call it home it doesn't matter.

Choice, like prefering red sauce to brown sauce, freedom to choose, human right, freedom, choice, independence, free will, choice, not dictated to, choice, freedom to think for yourself, choice.

And once again very slowly IF THAT CHOICE IS SOLELY MADE ON THE BASIS OF RACE - IT IS RACIST.
Notice I'm not saying you don't have the right to be racist in your private life, you have the right to discriminate on any grounds you choose;although if you choose ketchup over chop sauce on any other criteria than taste then you have as much sophistication as my eighteen month old niece (I'm a green liquor girl myself if it's with mash, otherwise I favour a chutney over a side sauce).

Better we take qualified doctors and nurses from poor countries and force a medical nightmare on African's etc, than we suffer?

No I agree that in terms of filling jobs with immigrants the policy was short sighted. Some however came here because they had to escape persecution and most are third or fourth generation so we didn't steal them from anywhere.

Better that we train our unemployed to fill vacancies rather than pay income support to fund their existence?

You can train thousands of white men who perhaps at one time worked on a construction site to be a doctor overnight can you? Or women whose only knowledge of childbirth is to have gone through it seven times to be a midwife in the same amount of time?

Whats the equasion per unemployed to the foreign worker?
Whats the overall loss £?

No idea, could you not find it in the BNP archive?

Does that loss contribute to us having a better life?

Well clearly yes!

Help kill off those in Africa by voting Labour/Conservative/Lib Dems/Greens/UKIP/Respect/SNP...

As opposed to vote BNP, kill off those in Africa much faster?

A choice between him and Griffin, you choose Mugface cos he's black and foreign, when infact, Griffin is more like you.

I most certainly do not, I choose neither - I take up arms and fight for democracy (everybody else stop laughing at that idea -I didn't say I'd like doing it). They are the same then, in terms of policy, you admit that? The only difference between Griffin and Farmer Bob is skin colour and country of birth? Well thanks that clarifies a lot!
ps considered reporting this post based on the fact that comparing me to Griffin is the worst insult possible, but I can take it!

[newspresenter]

IF THAT CHOICE IS SOLELY MADE ON THE BASIS OF RACE - IT IS RACIST.

Since when did you decide what is racism?

No I agree that in terms of filling jobs with immigrants the policy was short sighted. Some however came here because they had to escape persecution.

So you would agree that we should encourage them to return home and those when its safe?

You can train thousands of white men who perhaps at one time worked on a construction site to be a doctor overnight can you? Or women whose only knowledge of childbirth is to have gone through it seven times to be a midwife in the same amount of time?

Not likely, you'd have to be pretty stupid to assume that.

No idea, could you not find it in the BNP archive?

I guess if you asked a BNP member of Parliament, they'd probably be able to tell you.

Well clearly yes!

So we need to train thus employ those on benefits before we bring foreign workers here - BNP policy you agree with.

As opposed to vote BNP, kill off those in Africa much faster?

As mentioned, the BNP want foreign medical staff to help save lives in Africa etc, so vote BNP if thats what you want, don't vote for all the others if you don't want more people to suffer in deprived countries.

I most certainly do not, I choose neither

That wasn't the choice i offered.

They are the same then, in terms of policy, you admit that?

No, the BNP wana preserve British identity, Mugface hates British identity.

ps considered reporting this post based on the fact that comparing me to Griffin is the worst insult possible, but I can take it!

I will defend your right to cry like a baby. Fact is, we're all similar, so im right, you are similar to Mr Griffin, and if he isn't more like you than Mugface, you havn't said, must be true?

[Opinionated]

Since when did you decide what is racism?

I am not going to preface every sentence with "in my opinion" (it should be taken as read) therefore I decide what racism is in my own posts!

So you would agree that we should encourage them to return home and those when its safe?

No I favour everyone who is currently here, in order to live a peaceful and productive life, stay here - I believe it is their home. Beyond that I think we need to invest heavily in education so we can fill any necessary roles from our internal "pool" and immigration does need to be sorted.

Not likely, you'd have to be pretty stupid to assume that.

OK so put these thoughts together for me, all those black and Asian (non indegenous if you prefer to use your pc term) workers leave and overnight what happens to the NHS? Given that you have admitted most unemployed white people are not going to be capable of filling those roles.

I guess if you asked a BNP member of Parliament, they'd probably be able to tell you.

No they wouldn't would they? There aren't any to ask, so I guess we'll never find out whether your argument would have any credence.

So we need to train thus employ those on benefits before we bring foreign workers here - BNP policy you agree with.

It is broadly preferable for a community to be able to fill any role from within however this will not always be possible.

As mentioned, the BNP want foreign medical staff to help save lives in Africa etc, so vote BNP if thats what you want, don't vote for all the others if you don't want more people to suffer in deprived countries.

Leaving a huge hole in the NHS - you going to address that point? Also I was referring to the fact the BNP say they would cease all foreign aid - which would undoubtedly see the death toll rise exponentially.

That wasn't the choice i offered.

Oh wasn't aware it was a choice- thought it was a comment on what I would do in a fictional (and quite frankly stupid) situation.

No, the BNP wana preserve British identity, Mugface hates British identity.

Yeah but he wants to preserve his own identity in a way that is mirrored by the BNP.

I will defend your right to cry like a baby. Fact is, we're all similar, so im right, you are similar to Mr Griffin, and if he isn't more like you than Mugface, you havn't said, must be true?

Are you asking is my concept of my own identity closer to Griffin or Mugabe? Well lets see, I'm a woman so no not like either on that one. I consider myself to be a Christian socialist so no I'm not like either of them. I'm human - two eyes, nose, pulmonary system - well Griffin's only got one eye so we're a little bit different in that... I'm a Mother - no neither of them. I try to be a good person who treats others as she would like to be treated - so no not like either. I sometimes think I'm funnier than I really am - apparently so does Mugabe. Judge it as you will, I really couldn't care less!http://i899.photobucket.com/albums/a...4/offtobed.gif

[pauli007001]

I am not going to preface every sentence with "in my opinion" (it should be taken as read) therefore I decide what racism is in my own posts!
No I favour everyone who is currently here, in order to live a peaceful and productive life, stay here - I believe it is their home. Beyond that I think we need to invest heavily in education so we can fill any necessary roles from our internal "pool" and immigration does need to be sorted.

OK so put these thoughts together for me, all those black and Asian (non indegenous if you prefer to use your pc term) workers leave and overnight what happens to the NHS? Given that you have admitted most unemployed white people are not going to be capable of filling those roles.

No they wouldn't would they? There aren't any to ask, so I guess we'll never find out whether your argument would have any credence.

It is broadly preferable for a community to be able to fill any role from within however this will not always be possible.

Leaving a huge hole in the NHS - you going to address that point? Also I was referring to the fact the BNP say they would cease all foreign aid - which would undoubtedly see the death toll rise exponentially.
Oh wasn't aware it was a choice- thought it was a comment on what I would do in a fictional (and quite frankly stupid) situation.
Yeah but he wants to preserve his own identity in a way that is mirrored by the BNP.

Are you asking is my concept of my own identity closer to Griffin or Mugabe? Well lets see, I'm a woman so no not like either on that one. I consider myself to be a Christian socialist so no I'm not like either of them. I'm human - two eyes, nose, pulmonary system - well Griffin's only got one eye so we're a little bit different in that... I'm a Mother - no neither of them. I try to be a good person who treats others as she would like to be treated - so no not like either. I sometimes think I'm funnier than I really am - apparently so does Mugabe. Judge it as you will, I really couldn't care less!http://i899.photobucket.com/albums/a...4/offtobed.gif

In Your Opinion, Right???

[newspresenter]

No I favour everyone who is currently here

Do you think we should encourage immigrants such as doctors to go home and save their native comrades lives, or do you know someone else who will?

OK so put these thoughts together for me, all those black and Asian (non indegenous if you prefer to use your pc term) workers leave and overnight what happens to the NHS? Given that you have admitted most unemployed white people are not going to be capable of filling those roles.

Its simply a case of training someone unemployed, then paving the way home for an immigrant, a role reverse to whats happened.
Also, i'd imagine theres plenty of former trained indigenous people who have either left because of conditions and still live here, and theres also thousands of trained indigenous people moved abroad sick of the way our country is run.
Its wrong to assume that without immigrants, the NHS would collapse, theres plenty of immigrant patients from war torn countries.
I never said most white people wern't capable.

No they wouldn't would they? There aren't any to ask

Theres TWO!

It is broadly preferable for a community to be able to fill any role from within however this will not always be possible.

But you admit tho, that you agree with the BNP that that route should be tried first? Its the most sensible option.

Also I was referring to the fact the BNP say they would cease all foreign aid - which would undoubtedly see the death toll rise exponentially.

In 1984, the world raised billions via Band Aid for Ethiopians, in 2004, Ethiopians were worse off.
This is way complex, but in a nutshell, i believe that the powers that be actually encouraged third worldism, so that they could bend liberal minded folks into believing the west needed to shelter them, so that we lose nationhood/community spirit etc, thus easier to control the people, which is happening.

Yeah but he wants to preserve his own identity in a way that is mirrored by the BNP.

Every political party wants to defend some form of identity, racist Labour's is multicultural/communistic/marxism identity, so no, Mugface's version is way off the BNP's.

Well lets see, I consider myself to be a Christian socialist so no I'm not like either of them.

Nick Griffin is a christian. You're so far closest to Nicholas.

I'm human - two eyes, nose, pulmonary system - well Griffin's only got one eye so we're a little bit different in that...

Yes, but i still think you're closest to Nicholas.

Are you white, born in England/britain, probably got alot closer relatives and friends of friends of friends of work colleagues etc etc to Nicholas too, yes, you're more like Nicholas John Griffin than Mugface.

[Jim Franklin]

Newspresenter...

Thank you for a good laugh and reaffirming my faith in the fact there is little intelligent life in the world. Your arguments in this thread are a classic.

Robert Mugabe (or as we used to call him as kids - Trebor Ebagum) is a Racist, he hates, primarily the British, but ostensibly anyone who is not from Zim (actually making him Xenophobic). He is in the latter stages of paranoid delusions in order to hold onto power at all costs. Is he a fascist? I don't honestly know, he does some things which hint of this behaviour, but he does other things that smack of communist leanings.

I think it's safe to say he is a seriously confused individual who has great difficulty getting his message out, so attacks those around him mercilessly to make himself seem superior....but hang on..that sounds like you too...

This is a useless thread IMHO, the entire world knows RM is a blooming racist and a mental case at that. His hold on power is fragmenting and in the next couple of years will be gone, either by political pressure, a bullet or simply nature taking it's course. With no political will to force a regime change, as they have not yet found oil in Zim, we have to bide our time for a democratic and sensible regime to replace him and thus restore the Zimbabwe people to the position they used to be in..

[SocialistCara]

Theres TWO!

Nope there are two BNP MEP's
swing and a miss NP

[octopus]

Mugabe is insane. After turning florishing farmlands into wastelands he now is practically saying he wants no forign investment in Zimbabwee.The bloke is off his trolly and is a prime candidate for the regime change list (something that should have been done a long long time ago)

Mugabe is the price they paid for changing over to black rule to quick. When Ian Smith ruled Rhodeisa, they fed Africa - now Zimbabwee is depedant on charity; exactly as Ian Smith predicted. Black power at its best!

[newspresenter]

Nope there are two BNP MEP's

2 members of a parliament.

[Opinionated]

Do you think we should encourage immigrants such as doctors to go home and save their native comrades lives, or do you know someone else who will?

Those for whom it is safe to return should be encouraged perhaps to join medicin sans frontier, as should every doctor for some period of time if possible, but no as they are settled and productive people with homes and family here then they should be encouraged to stay.

Its simply a case of training someone unemployed, then paving the way home for an immigrant, a role reverse to whats happened.

How is it simple to give an unemployed brickie (nothing wrong with being a brickie or any other manual worker for that matter) seven years worth of medical training plus x years worth of experience in the field? Do be sensible, how are you going to pay for all this miraculous brain training and knowledge implanting if half the country’s professionals leave over night taking their tax with them? Does Griffin have a cutting edge scientific brain developing machine that will turn your average white working class man into an intellectual of Einstein proportions? If so baggsie I have a go with that first!

Also, i'd imagine theres plenty of former trained indigenous people who have either left because of conditions and still live here, and theres also thousands of trained indigenous people moved abroad sick of the way our country is run.

Oh! So we're going to send teams over to Canada and Australia etc. and kidnap people with certain skills who were born and trained in Britain before making lives, families and homes somewhere else. OK! You don't have a problem with that? Why would the want to come back? Because in NP world the only possible reason a white English person would want to settle somewhere else is due to the number of immigrants here.

Its wrong to assume that without immigrants, the NHS would collapse, theres plenty of immigrant patients from war torn countries.

Oh of course yeah, last time I went to A&E the waiting room was stuffed full of assylum seekers waiting to be seen! And we are talking about very specific and highly highly skilled doctors and nurses in this case not just the cleaners and porters who are just as important but more easily replaced. When you can open up a persons skull distinguish between the external, common and internal carotid arteries despite all the blood from a subarachnoid haemorrage, clip the bleed and close the wound before the patient strokes out, then you can tell me the NHS won't be lacking if we kick out all black and Asian doctors!

I never said most white people weren't capable.

I asked; You can train thousands of white men who perhaps at one time worked on a construction site to be a doctor overnight can you? Or women whose only knowledge of childbirth is to have gone through it seven times to be a midwife in the same amount of time?
You answered: Not likely, you'd have to be pretty stupid to assume that.

Theres TWO!

When someone says MPs funnily enough everyone thinks you mean MPs, if you mean MEPs (who have very very little influence on anything btw) say MEPs. You do know the difference don't you?

But you admit though, that you agree with the BNP that that route should be tried first? It’s the most sensible option.

No and no it's not! Our infrastructure would collapse if we removed such a high percentage of skilled workers.

In 1984, the world raised billions via Band Aid for Ethiopians, in 2004, Ethiopians were worse off.
This is way complex, but in a nutshell, i believe that the powers that be actually encouraged third worldism, so that they could bend liberal minded folks into believing the west needed to shelter them, so that we lose nationhood/community spirit etc, thus easier to control the people, which is happening.

Not worse off because of live aid though, worse off despite it, and all that shows is that charity can only go so far in solving third world problems, it’s not the answer alone.

Every political party wants to defend some form of identity, racist Labour's is multicultural/communistic/marxism identity, so no, Mugface's version is way off the BNP's.

Why do you call him Mugface? Do you think it’s clever? Or are you just trying to be as overtly racist as possible. Do you think it implies he’s done evil things because he happens to be black?

Nick Griffin is a christian. You're so far closest to Nicholas.

Is he, how interesting! Wonder if he’ll be any better at pinpointing his moment of asking for salvation than he is at pinpointing when he decided the holocaust did in fact happen and Hitler was a nasty piece of work!
I rarely manage to live up to the standards I set for myself regarding my faith so I am in no position to judge him, however the Church of England (membership of which most non-practicing Christians believe defines them as such), have rejected Griffin’s claim to be a Christian.
BBC NEWS | UK | UK Politics | Carey rejects BNP Christian claim

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Those for whom it is safe to return should be encouraged perhaps to join medicin sans frontier[FONT=Tahoma], as should every doctor for some period of time if possible, but no as they are settled and productive people with homes and family here then they should be encouraged to stay.

So you're happy for the people they left behind to struggle more than we do?

How is it simple to give an unemployed brickie (nothing wrong with being a brickie or any other manual worker for that matter) seven years worth of medical training plus x years worth of experience in the field?

Its not.

how are you going to pay for all this miraculous brain training and knowledge implanting if half the country’s professionals leave over night taking their tax with them?

Half? Taking their unemployed with them too.

So we're going to send teams over to Canada and Australia etc.

the irony, you asked me to be sensible...an advert perhaps, word of mouth, you get the pic.

Why would the want to come back?

Because their country would represent what they used to like, so they're likely to still vote BNP.

When someone says MPs funnily enough everyone thinks you mean MPs

And when they don't?

No and no it's not! Our infrastructure would collapse if we removed such a high percentage of skilled workers.

But adults can do it sensibly, bit by bit. So you agree?

Why do you call him Mugface?

Do you have a better word for a madman?

Or are you just trying to be as overtly racist as possible.

A, whats the definition of racism?
B, is it racism if you call Nick Griffin names?

Do you think it implies he’s done evil things because he happens to be black?

I think because he's black, he's taken on the rights for black people because he's been encouraged to do so, thus because he does terrible things, its based on his skin colour.

Wonder if he’ll be any better at pinpointing his moment of asking for salvation than he is at pinpointing when he decided the holocaust did in fact happen

Which holocaust are you referring to?

the Church of England (membership of which most non-practicing Christians believe defines them as such), have rejected Griffin’s claim to be a Christian.

Thats because they're fascists, like you.

[SocialistCara]

2 members of a parliament.

2 members of european parliment
you referred to them as two members of parliment
maybe you want to reword things before you type them-less sombody mistake you for an imbecile.

[Kiwi 1691]

2 members of a parliament.

Wait I thought they were against the EU, so why do they take part in the EU parliament? Are their beliefs so weak that they give them up for a little bit of power?

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Wait I thought they were against the EU, so why do they take part in the EU parliament? Are their beliefs so weak that they give them up for a little bit of power?

Good point, why would a democratic party wish to take part in a democratic process........

The BNP are, imho, a bunch of nutters and potentially dangerous nutters at that, but at least they're not the 'New Labour - same old lies and incompetence' or the 'Toff on crime, toff on the causes of crime' fox-hunting idiotic Tories (let me know if there's someone I haven't dissed or offended). I don't support the BNP but I welcome their election to the fabulously undemocratic EU as (a) it shows the domestic democratic process is working and (b) perhaps it will wake the mainstream parties up to the genuine concerns of a substantial number of the British people regarding mass immigration and its effects on British society.

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Mugabe is insane. After turning florishing farmlands into wastelands he now is practically saying he wants no forign investment in Zimbabwee.The bloke is off his trolly and is a prime candidate for the regime change list (something that should have been done a long long time ago)

Exactly as Ian Smith predicted. Total choas!

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2 members of european parliment
you referred to them as two members of parliment

You lot drink far too much flouride and aspartame

They ARE members of Parliament. Not sure why you repeated what i said...

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Wait I thought they were against the EU, so why do they take part in the EU parliament? Are their beliefs so weak that they give them up for a little bit of power?

Cut the flouride people. Getting in the EU gives them the chance to expose it, like the The British National Party’s first ever European parliament exhibition, titled “The Cumbrian Floods — Caused by Global Capitalism, not Global Warming” launched tonight in Brussels. Only by becoming the government can you get out of the fascist institution, whistle blowing and the financial help it creates will boost the BNP's chances elswhere, i would've thought that obvious.

[Kiwi 1691]

Cut the flouride people. Getting in the EU gives them the chance to expose it, like the The British National Party’s first ever European parliament exhibition, titled “The Cumbrian Floods — Caused by Global Capitalism, not Global Warming” launched tonight in Brussels. Only by becoming the government can you get out of the fascist institution, whistle blowing and the financial help it creates will boost the BNP's chances elswhere, i would've thought that obvious.

Or, seats in parliament are more important to them then the beliefs that got them elected to the seats.

[SocialistCara]

Cut the flouride people.

you have now mentioned flouride twice.
just saying.
Not that effective as a metaphor.

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you have now mentioned flouride twice.
just saying.
Not that effective as a metaphor.

Just shows you the stregnth of Flouride on the brain, very damaging substance.