The legalised anti-white racism 'Open to Black and minority ethnic graduates'

[newspresenter]

Bristol City Council - Job Details - 2 Management Trainee Opportunities

The Liberal Democratic-controlled Bristol City Council has advertised two full-time positions at £18,000 per year for management trainee opportunities — “open to Black and minority ethnic graduates.”

According to the advertisement, successful candidates “will be offered a postgraduate diploma in Management Studies, a tax free training allowance and mentoring and support throughout the traineeship.“

The council claims that these “traineeships are advertised in accordance with section 37 of the Race Relations Act 1976.”

The blatant anti-white discrimination is actually legal, and is part of that act which was passed by all three Westminster parties.

The Race Relations Act allows councils whose workforce does not represent the racial population make-up of their borough to actively recruit “ethnics.”


Why aren't their massive demostrations going on?

[Barry]

Race Relations Act 1976 (c. 74) - Statute Law Database

I don't agree with this law.
All candidates for jobs should be treated equally, provided they have a legal right to work in the UK.
There won't be protests in the streets because the whole electorate is totally apathetic about most things.

[ryoden]

I will have to agree with you there, it's discrimination. I can't see how anyone can despise discrimination but then support "positive discrimination". I am open to someone explaining why this is a good thing though but at the moment I don't agree with it. Jobs should be open to the best candidate regardless of skin colour, sex or religion, this kind of liberalism i can do without.

[uncon]

I will whole heartedly support any discrimination that is obvious against anyone. I fail to see how announcing that minorities will recieve equal consideration discriminates against others

[Midas]

I will whole heartedly support any discrimination that is obvious against anyone. I fail to see how announcing that minorities will recieve equal consideration discriminates against others

But it's not that minorities will receive equal consideration, the implication is that the positions are for just black and ethnic minority applicants over and above white applicants, and as has been pointed out under section 37 of the Race Relations Act 1976, this is allowable - and totally wrong!

[DC]

Isn't it called Affirmative Action? And you think you guys have it bad? We have pages and pages of affirmative action both in the public and private sectors for the Aboriginals exclusively. But I would be interested to see if anyone challenges this in the EU courts, or even just threaten to.

[octopus]

As NP says: "Why aren"t there massive demonstrations going on"?
Suppose I placed an advert in the local paper saying: wanted. Management Trainee - must be British white anglo saxon male. Black, Asian or other need not apply. What do you think our PC friends would make of that? I would probably finish up in court, (on two counts) or get beaten up by an angry mob of Muslims; certainly massive demonstrations by angry ethnics joined by womens groups.

In a free society you should be able to hire who you want. White, black, Asian, Chinese, red indians or little green men from Mars. Britain is white and Christian (at the moment), so this not acceptable to ban the majority of the population from applying.

[uncon]

To say that something is open to a group is not to say that other groups are banned is it? Have you written to them requesting clarification? No? Are you just stirring this up then?

I have just started a group here called the Womens Institute. I am making it clear that it is open to men....does that mean I am refusing women?

[ryoden]

No I agree it doesn't. The advert is odd though if that is their meaning, why wouldn't it be open to black and ethnic minorities? If they are advertising it for anyone then why not just state that? Something like "these positions are open to anyone who is suitably qualified regardless of sex, age or ethnicity". The inference appears (to some people at least) that it's primarily if not entirely aimed at black and ethnic minorities.

Without actually querying it or applying for the post with 2 identical CV's one which is from a white version and one which is from a black version of the same person it would be hard to tell, but regardless I still think it's worded badly.

EDIT
I checked a few of the other jobs on offer at Bristol city council around the same pay grade and above and none of them had the same stipulation which seems odd, I can only assume that they have a criteria to fulfil such as x many ethnic minorities in y type posts or something (that's an assumption which may be completely wrong and is based soley on my own interpretation of the limited evidence available at this time).

Giving them the benefit of the doubt and assuming that they are just encouraging minorities to apply without actual discrimination against any other applicant then I don't have a problem with it (apart from it's wording)

[uncon]

I think that the problem lies merely in the idiot who wrote the Ad!

[Midas]

To say that something is open to a group is not to say that other groups are banned is it? Have you written to them requesting clarification? No? Are you just stirring this up then?

I have just started a group here called the Womens Institute. I am making it clear that it is open to men....does that mean I am refusing women?

Local authorities and other government departments are legally required to employ ethnic minorities in broad proportion to the ethnic makeup of their area, and this ruling does mean that they can refuse other groups from certain posts. If a council is falling short on say West African employees they can legally refuse to even consider white applicants. Not only is this discrimination totally wrong but in many cases it prevents the best person for the job being employed, leading to poorer and consequently more expensive services - have you ever tried battling to make yourself understood (and to understand them) in a local authority where there's a majority of ethnic minority employees?

[DC]

I think that the problem lies merely in the idiot who wrote the Ad!

I don't think it's just a dumb ad writer, they have checks for this sort of thing. It seems likely that they're trying to discourage white applicants from applying, without explicitly doing so. It's discrimination by omitance. Like if I were to post a sign in a cafe reading;
"This cafe is for white people". This is entirely true, the cafe is for white people, as well as other races, and I've technically not discriminated against them, but the implication is that I have done so.

[vansailor]

I am all in favour of ethnic minorities getting a chance of a job it is only recently i began to realise i was classed as a minority i worked for a firm with 40 employees
of those only 2 of us were british. The rest came from europe and the far east, employers seem to want to run a anti british companies as the eu and migrants are cheaper
you might say that is there choice but what is the point of educating our children if they are not going to be given the chance to work how many people have to be unemployed before our children/grandchildren get a chance The government is basically subsidising business to let them have the employees they want.As they are already skilled ??? the counter argument is they bring skills we do not (why have we no training for the skills we do not have) that maybe true but employers do not need to have apprenticeships they buy ready mades
They also bring wealth you might say eu workers are transitory they live where they come from so they send all there money home so no wealth for this country you might say that is an urban myth look around your local high street how many shops offer money transfer abroad in my area it was 2 5 years ago it is now nearly ebery newsagent in the borough
skilled??? there is no need to train anyone from this country (no matter what race or creed they are )so the future is basically mass unemployment for anyone british
we can watch jeremy kyle in the afternoon while the country carries on without any british workers surely now we must get the government to have a policy where of the total number of employees in a business is at least 75 percent are british you cant say to people get on yer bike when your bike has been stolen already
i am justing advocating this britains (all races and creeds who are british citizens)should have the jobs we cannot be the employer of europe and the far east
if we continue on our present course we might as well close our schools early as we are wasting the little resources we have educating children for the dole and benefit system
it seems to me employers are convincing MPs of the benefits while all of britain pays for the true cost personal and financial

[Midas]

I am all in favour of ethnic minorities getting a chance of a job it is only recently i began to realise i was classed as a minority i worked for a firm with 40 employees
of those only 2 of us were british. The rest came from europe and the far east, employers seem to want to run a anti british companies as the eu and migrants are cheaper
you might say that is there choice but what is the point of educating our children if they are not going to be given the chance to work how many people have to be unemployed before our children/grandchildren get a chance The government is basically subsidising business to let them have the employees they want.As they are already skilled ??? the counter argument is they bring skills we do not (why have we no training for the skills we do not have) that maybe true but employers do not need to have apprenticeships they buy ready mades
They also bring wealth you might say eu workers are transitory they live where they come from so they send all there money home so no wealth for this country you might say that is an urban myth look around your local high street how many shops offer money transfer abroad in my area it was 2 5 years ago it is now nearly ebery newsagent in the borough
skilled??? there is no need to train anyone from this country (no matter what race or creed they are )so the future is basically mass unemployment for anyone british
we can watch jeremy kyle in the afternoon while the country carries on without any british workers surely now we must get the government to have a policy where of the total number of employees in a business is at least 75 percent are british you cant say to people get on yer bike when your bike has been stolen already
i am justing advocating this britains (all races and creeds who are british citizens)should have the jobs we cannot be the employer of europe and the far east
if we continue on our present course we might as well close our schools early as we are wasting the little resources we have educating children for the dole and benefit system
it seems to me employers are convincing MPs of the benefits while all of britain pays for the true cost personal and financial

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To make some comments on your post, in part I have to agree with what you say. Up until the end of 2009 I was Chairman of a mid-sized precision engineering company employing up to 350 largely skilled employees, and of those I'd estimate that we had 40% who were non-ethnically British. This certainly wasn't done because of cost considerations (although I'll quite accept that is the case with many non-skilled jobs) but more because we found that the non-British employees had a better work ethic and were more reliable than their local counterparts. Regrettably so I have to say, as a company we'd have far rather employed all British people where possible, and the fact that we, and many other similar businesses, found it difficult to do so is really a sad reflection on the slipping standards of education and vocational training that we've seen here for the last decade or two.

I can quite understand why many immigrants want to come here; far better pay and working conditions than most of them will find 'at home', lax immigration policies and too strict employment laws which don't allow employers the ability to select their employees in the best interests of everyone, far too generous benefits rules...... On the other hand I can totally understand why so many British people are anti-immigration, because it is taking jobs from British people, it is creating immigrant ghettos and adding significantly to social pressures in cities in particular, and it is diluting our culture beyond the point many find acceptable.

On a global scale our pay rates are uncompetitive in many traditional industries and automation has, and will increasingly, make inroads into all types of jobs, so you're probably right in saying that the employment future will be bleak for many, especially those with poor education, no specialised skills or without any entrepreneurial ambitions. As in so many areas of government, social policy and education/employment, we need to have a complete rethink as to where the country is heading and how we can best adapt what skills and resources we have to be competitive in a future world. Will we get one? I very much doubt it

[vansailor]

apologies for any offence but all that is required for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing i am not saying it is evil but the point is nobody is going to change the situation we do not improve schools we have no apprenticeships or training schools as employers do need learners you can buy ready made workers.Are we know going to add new lessons in school You are not useless just unlucky. also Benefits 101 how to claim welfare correctly ,how to cope with long term unemployment. whats on tv today We are coming to the point where you will leave school sign on and wait for retirement The system is completely flawed how many people claiming benefit will it take for the government to realise a change in policy is required maybe when all M P's can be replaced with eu workers they are cheaper and work harder and are more qualified than people elected at present from all parties

well thank you for listening i have vented my spleen enough today ( a quick aside i look forward to a 75 year policeman chasing a hoody to arrest him )
i must get on with looking fo a job

[Midas]

apologies for any offence but all that is required for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing i am not saying it is evil but the point is nobody is going to change the situation we do not improve schools we have no apprenticeships or training schools as employers do need learners you can buy ready made workers.Are we know going to add new lessons in school You are not useless just unlucky. also Benefits 101 how to claim welfare correctly ,how to cope with long term unemployment. whats on tv today We are coming to the point where you will leave school sign on and wait for retirement The system is completely flawed how many people claiming benefit will it take for the government to realise a change in policy is required maybe when all M P's can be replaced with eu workers they are cheaper and work harder and are more qualified than people elected at present from all parties

well thank you for listening i have vented my spleen enough today ( a quick aside i look forward to a 75 year policeman chasing a hoody to arrest him )
i must get on with looking fo a job

No offence taken You're quite right of course, certainly as far as industry is concerned it's far easier to buy in ready trained workers, and if we can't get them locally, we'll get them from wherever we can - if they're cheaper too, that's an added bonus. The retraining initiatives have to start at government level, and they have to be linked to controls on who comes into the country and who doesn't, and changes like that will take a great deal of commitment and a considerable time to implement, things that government don't appear to understand, partly because under the present structure long term plans aren't considered as politically viable and partly because of the cost implications.

Good luck with the job hunting by the way!!

[vansailor]

My spleen is still not vented
If eu workers are so valuable to this country why are there so many money transfer places about i bought something of the internet about 5 years ago and was told to
go to a well known money transfer company to send the funds i could only find 2 at that time in the whole of the london borough where i live now every street corner has one on it not me that needs them i dont know anybody abroad i wonder who would need them and so many if you know ring whitehall 1212

if you know that phone number you know roughly how old i am and how old you are

[vansailor]

i was going to put my children names down for eton but i think i should really put their names down for trolley pusher at the local supermarket i just hope they can live down to it
as you can see i have to much time on my hands

[Midas]

My spleen is still not vented
If eu workers are so valuable to this country why are there so many money transfer places about i bought something of the internet about 5 years ago and was told to
go to a well known money transfer company to send the funds i could only find 2 at that time in the whole of the london borough where i live now every street corner has one on it not me that needs them i dont know anybody abroad i wonder who would need them and so many if you know ring whitehall 1212

if you know that phone number you know roughly how old i am and how old you are

The question you ask is really more complex to answer than you might suspect. Simplistically, part of the answer is of course is sheer volume, there are many times the number of immigrants in the UK than there were a few decades ago and most of those have families and friends abroad to whom they send money. But another part of the answer is that many of those immigrants have never had bank accounts, and although they might be able to open them here (although with the tightening of regulations I suspect many still haven't got them or don't want them), their families 'back home' certainly don't have them. Their only other option therefore is to use a High Street money transfer company like WU, so it's a case of supply and demand; the more people needing to use companies like that there are, the more of them will spring up to fill that demand.

A considerable number of the transfers through them are also undeclared funds, earned whilst unemployed, claiming other benefits or just from cash in hand work. For the average immigrant in particular, it's far easier to shift such undeclared money abroad this way than it is through a much more highly regulated High Street bank.

[The Silver Eagle]

Discrimination against white people?! Equality is not happening at all.

To survey the amount of one from a certain group and 'recruit' is
not at all Equal Treatment.

I thought we were all supposed to be Equal not equally numbered.

The reason people are not protestesting is because they will be accused of racism themselves
which always happens everyday. Because someone did this or that their racist!

I A F*****G SICK OF THIS CRAP!

When people ask how we can end racism and all for peace then ending this bullcrap is the first
step. This is another Action program except somewhere else isn't it?

[crazylilting]

No matter what colour i am i would not want to be hired because of that colour. What does that say? I wouldn't want to be hired because it is a part of some target strategy. I would want to be hired because i am right for the job. Anyone taking such a job probably would already feel discriminated against and feel they are getting the upper hand for once, but once in, would find that they have limited powers and influence as they were not hired for that at all. They were simply hired for being the target colour. It does no one any good to be hired simply because they are a minority. It is similar to women in politics. Sure there is a push for it, but once in they are constantly discriminated against by their male peers, making it a toxic work environment. What's the point?

[Midas]

No matter what colour i am i would not want to be hired because of that colour. What does that say? I wouldn't want to be hired because it is a part of some target strategy. I would want to be hired because i am right for the job.

Quite, however I suspect that a majority of immigrants are happy just to be able to get a job, and if it's with an employer like a local authority or other organisation which has a policy of employing ethnic minorities in line with their balance in the local population, so much the better from their point of view.

Anyone taking such a job probably would already feel discriminated against and feel they are getting the upper hand for once, but once in, would find that they have limited powers and influence as they were not hired for that at all. They were simply hired for being the target colour. It does no one any good to be hired simply because they are a minority. It is similar to women in politics. Sure there is a push for it, but once in they are constantly discriminated against by their male peers, making it a toxic work environment. What's the point?

Not so sure about that as explained in the previous paragraph. If a coloured employee is taken on in a predominantly white environment on the basis of political correctness, I will agree that it can be counter-productive, likewise if there's a token woman or man employed on a PC basis in an environment which is almost exclusively of the opposite sex; it's a bit pointless unless there are some real and genuine reasons why that person is significantly superior than a person of the predominant sex. But in large organisations where PC is rife, it does have its advantages for people from minority groups who would often struggle to find jobs elsewhere (not necessarily because of colour I must add).