Islam is a fake religion made up by an antichrist called Mohammed about 1400 years ago.
Christianity is the true faith, which revolves around Jesus Christ, the Son of God and King of the Jews.
He died and rose again to save us all from our sins.

Originally Posted by Barry

Islam is a fake religion made up by an antichrist called Mohammed about 1400 years ago.
Christianity is the true faith, which revolves around Jesus Christ, the Son of God and King of the Jews.
He died and rose again to save us all from our sins.

I think you're getting confused Barry. All religions are fake

I truly hope that Barry's post was in jest.

Interesting thread Sudan, i note how you hold the view that a city needs a strong/sound administration and a Nation needs a Leader, those views are very totalitarian, a nation or a city require that people hire specialised workers to defend the nation/city, if they do a ****ty job they get fired.Polititians forget that they are in fact employees of the voters.
If god/Allah or jehovah were held to account as leaders i would say all three have failed in so far as they dont listen to their employers, that would be the people, it is no bloody wonder that no one goes to church or mosque or the bloody synagogue anymore, the pub is more fun, but then not as much fun as staying home and having a few bevvies.

If a faith or a god demands total submission i would say following him or it was not a good Idea, who wants such an insecure god!!!????

Originally Posted by Barry

Islam is a fake religion made up by an antichrist called Mohammed about 1400 years ago.
Christianity is the true faith, which revolves around Jesus Christ, the Son of God and King of the Jews.
He died and rose again to save us all from our sins.

Given that Islam arose out of Christianity, which itself arose from early Judaism, I don't really see what you're saying Barry.

Not that it's really relevant, all religions are false when it comes down to it, being based on little more than ancient myths and beliefs which have evolved round the propensity for humans to be superstitious, something which has been perpetuated and played upon over the millennia by various leaders, both religious and political, firstly as a means of dominating and controlling their populations, then as a means to power and wealth. All smoke and mirrors.

But of the major religions we see today, Islam is the most primitive and repressive, currently being where Christianity stood in about the 14th century, and I think we all know what went on in its name around that period! Fallacious as though they might be, at least Judaism and Christianity allow freedom of speech and though and the rights of the individual, whereas Islam denies its followers even those basis things, instead insisting, sometimes on pain of death, that people live their way or not at all. It has no place whatsoever in a modern democratic society.

Barry I find the majority of your posts rational and usually find myself agreeing with many of your views. Not so on this occasion. I think you are wrong to suggest that Islam is a fake religion simply because it does not fit in with your own Christian beliefs. I don't share your faith but would nevertheless respect your right to have and follow it. Many believe that all religion is fake, but in a tolerant society we must learn to respect others beliefs even though we may consider them false. Only when these beliefs become a threat to the freedoms, rights and privileges of our society should society take steps to restrict them.

I hesitate to quote the scriptures to you, but I recall God saying, as reported in the Bible, something along the lines of 'in my house there are many mansions'. I have always took this to mean that there is room for different approaches to God.

Anyway, may your God be with you.

75 million years ago, the Emperor Xenu gathered together aliens on earth and killed them using hydrgoen bombs which somehow he had got hold of. Then there was something to do with volcanoes, which resulted in the spirits of these dead aliens joining with pre-historic man to create what we know as today as human beings. Inside we all have a 'thetan' which is a timeless spirit that guides us along a path to our ultimate destiny.

Obviously all of the above is crap. But thats what scientology believes. Because it is a modern-day religion and the author is known, it is acceptable to dismiss it as crap. The older religions have just as many unlikely and down right ridiculous happenings as the above story, but because they have had longer to build up a following, it is socially frowned upon to call them crap. I say they're all crap. When you die you feed some worms and everything else is wishful thinking. The end.

Bazza is being deliberately provocative describing Muhammed as 'antichrist' right?

What is Islam? A religion which no British non-Muslim cared about until:

• BNP and UKIP realised votes could be gained by stirring up anti-Islamic hatred
• newspapers like the Daily Mail realised they could bump their circulation figures with stories of dangerous fellas with beards

You only have to read a few of the Muslim-hate threads on this forum - of which there are many - to see how stupid whitey loves to shiver deliciously about dangerous Islam. Hating and fearing his dark-skinned neighbours, who happen to be Muslim, makes him feel better about his own useless, disintegrating culture.

So that's what Islam is in Britain: a lightening rod for Little England inadequacy, stupidity, cruelty, and cultural collapse.

Originally Posted by Balthazar

What is Islam? A religion which no British non-Muslim cared about until:

• BNP and UKIP realised votes could be gained by stirring up anti-Islamic hatred
• newspapers like the Daily Mail realised they could bump their circulation figures with stories of dangerous fellas with beards

You only have to read a few of the Muslim-hate threads on this forum - of which there are many - to see how stupid whitey loves to shiver deliciously about dangerous Islam. Hating and fearing their dark-skinned neighbours, who happen to be Muslims, makes them feel better about their own useless, disintegrating culture.

So that's what Islam is in Britain: a lightening rod for nationalist inadequacy, stupidity, cruelty, and cultural collapse.

Oh little sausage, what a predictably silly post. Islam is about religion not about dark skinned neighbours. Only you and one or two others on this board seek out imagined racism when and where it doesn't exist.

Your instinctive response to any overt or covert criticism of Islam is to make the unjustified assumption that it is a racial attack. You describe any poster critical of the blatant racial discrimination practiced by some our dark skinned neighbours, who happen to also be Muslim fundamentalists, as hate filled racial attacks. Do try to get a sense of balance and perspective in your posts to counter your intolerance and prejudices.

I for one can understand why many non-Muslims might consider the more extreme Muslim supremacists with a degree of fear. After all a considerable number of innocent non-Muslims have been blown to pieces in many western countries by such extremists.

No doubt with your rather peculiar mindset, you will decide that my post is a hate and fear filled racial attack.

Originally Posted by Midas

But of the major religions we see today, Islam is the most primitive and repressive, currently being where Christianity stood in about the 14th century, and I think we all know what went on in its name around that period! Fallacious as though they might be, at least Judaism and Christianity allow freedom of speech and though and the rights of the individual, whereas Islam denies its followers even those basis things, instead insisting, sometimes on pain of death, that people live their way or not at all. It has no place whatsoever in a modern democratic society.

Yes, they do these days but that hasn't always been the case and had there not been the reformation or had the Catholic counter-revolution gone another way (just think Spanish inquisition and Index of forbidden books) it could have been very different, it's the influence of non religious social movements that has moved Christianity on; Judaism likewise - in fact a comparison between Judaism and Islam is probably more appropriate and it didn't embrace modernity until at least 1845, when the synods led by Rabbi Abraham Geiger set out to eliminate from Judaism every mark of national uniqueness. Since the goal of modern Judaism was to live a lifestyle that brought holiness into the modern world, a world of science and truth; all outmoded rabbinic legislation had to pass the test of reason, morality, and modernity to be acceptable. If a practice separated a Jew from the modern, secular world, then it was a Jew's religious obligation to renounce it. Given the cultural similarities between the tribal beginnings of Judaism and Islam it could take a very long time for Islam to catch up, particularly in the isolated parts of the Middle East. Having said that there is no reason I can see that a denomination of Islam more appropriate to modern Western culture shouldn't continue to grow, I know plenty of people who consider themselves Muslim who drink, believe in freedom of speech, women's rights, accept homosexuality etc.

Originally Posted by Major Sinic

You describe any poster critical of the blatant racial discrimination practiced by some our dark skinned neighbours, who happen to also be Muslim fundamentalists, as hate filled racial attacks.

Dear old Major, always to be trusted to:

• get the wrong end of the stick
• set a hare running
• go off at a tangent
• construct a straw man

But you've impeccable manners, and a sense of humour, so I forgive you!

I'm very critical of Muslim fundamentalists, particularly those wishing to blow themselves up in my railway carriage. I fully support the state in tracking them down and throwing them in chokey.

But they're a tiny proportion of British Muslims, who've been driven mad by British foreign policy and their racist neighbours. The anti-Muslim racist buffoons who operate on this forum, and British Muslim suicide bombers, are cut from the same cloth. They're all friends of Osama, doing his dirty work. I believe I've read you make the same point.

It's one reason I go for the Muslim-hating racists on this forum. They're Osama bin Laden's 'useful idiots.' Each time they attack British Islam he punches the air in a cave somewhere.

Originally Posted by Major Sinic

Do try to get a sense of balance and perspective in your posts to counter your intolerance and prejudices.

I never want you to change. Not one hair in your fussy moustache. Promise me you never will?

Originally Posted by Balthazar

Dear old Major, always to be trusted to:

• get the wrong end of the stick
• set a hare running
• go off at a tangent
• construct a straw man

But you've impeccable manners, and a sense of humour, so I forgive you!

I'm very critical of Muslim fundamentalists, particularly those wishing to blow themselves up in my railway carriage. I fully support the state in tracking them down and throwing them in chokey.

But they're a tiny proportion of British Muslims, who've been driven mad by British foreign policy and their racist neighbours. The anti-Muslim racist buffoons who operate on this forum, and British Muslim suicide bombers, are cut from the same cloth. They're all friends of Osama, doing his dirty work. I believe I've read you make similar claims.

It's one reason I go for the Muslim-hating racists on this forum. They're Osama bin Laden's 'useful idiots.' Each time they attack British Islam he punches the air in a cave somewhere.



I never want you to change. Not one hair in your fussy moustache. Please promise me you never will?

Well we agree on the bulk of this post in any event. I find racial and religious intolerance from whichever direction it comes as wholly inappropriate in a modern and relatively civilised society.

Originally Posted by Major Sinic

Well we agree on the bulk of this post in any event.

I knew we would. You just become over-excited occasionally, like a young Springer Spaniel. It's one of your loveable characteristics.


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What is Islam? A backward Religion that has yet to mature to the point where nobody cares about what was written down in a book. It has good bits and bad bits, and is overtly sexist and somewhat antagonist and xenophobic, and of course is held back by extremist views. It'll mature in time, hopefully. Right now I would say it's easily the most antagonistic of the major religions, but that should hopefully change.

thanks for your reply
but islam is not an ass , you shoud read more about it to know the truth

Originally Posted by DC

What is Islam? A backward Religion that has yet to mature to the point where nobody cares about what was written down in a book. It has good bits and bad bits, and is overtly sexist and somewhat antagonist and xenophobic, and of course is held back by extremist views. It'll mature in time, hopefully. Right now I would say it's easily the most antagonistic of the major religions, but that should hopefully change.

Bearing in mind the time it took the other two major Abrahamic religions to change, maybe you could come back in a few hundred years time...... Even then they all still be based on myth and superstition of course, that'll never change!

Originally Posted by sudan

thanks for your reply
but islam is not an ass , you shoud read more about it to know the truth

Sudan, I would suggest you try to see beyond the rhetoric and hype put out by religion and try to see what's really behind it all. If you do your research into religion generally, you'll soon start to see what shaky foundations every religion is built upon, but more importantly why Islam itself is considered so backward and repressive.

Originally Posted by Midas

Given that Islam arose out of Christianity, which itself arose from early Judaism, I don't really see what you're saying Barry.

If that is true Islam is the bastard rebellious son that wants to kill its father and grandfather.
Islam is what is written in the Qur'an and wants to kill Christians, and Jews.
It is an absolute political theocracy which seeks to destroy and subjugate all others.

My earlier post was not in jest. I am a Bible believing Christian, as most of you already well know, and the majority of you like to deride at any opportunity.
Some non-believers on this forum are happier to support Islam than Christianity - I don't really get that at all??

I am happy for all Muslims to believe what they believe, as long as they are happy for me to believe what I believe, and be at peace.

Originally Posted by Midas

Bearing in mind the time it took the other two major Abrahamic religions to change

Go on any US Republican, gun nut, Tea Bagger, Evangelist, Survivalist, or White Supremacist, website and you'll find Christianity hasn't changed that much. Right wing Christian groups in the US are viewed by Homeland Security as a major domestic terrorist threat.

I'd argue they're more dangerous than Osama's lot. 'End of Days' groupings, with which Sarah Palin is associated, are barking mad, angry, armed, and have a direct theological interest in provoking Armageddon in the Middle East. Compare them to a few excitable Bradford boys with beards - driven mad by British foreign policy and idiot racist whites - and it's clear where the real threat lies.

So sure, we're fortunate in Britain to have the good old Church of England (of which I'm a proud member and my brother-in-law an excellent vicar) but, just like Islam, Christianity still has a barbaric wing. Just think of the vile Northern Irish Protestant churches: obsessed with homosexuality, full of hate and madness, with links to far-right paramilitaries. Just a few years ago they were slaughtering their political and religious enemies, in front of their children, then going to church. If the peace process goes wrong they'll do it again.

Originally Posted by Barry

I am happy for all Muslims to believe what they believe, as long as they are happy for me to believe what I believe, and be at peace.

I like the 'peace' bit but am not happy for mad Islamics, and mad Christians, to believe what they believe. They're poisonous idiots who should be argued with, poked fun at, and exposed at every opportunity. It's an honourable and patriotic British tradition going back to the 18th century Enlightenment.

It's great, for example, to see the disgusting web of child torture in the Catholic Church finally being exposed. Desperately vulnerable children in orphanages used to be beaten black and blue, by priests, for complaining that other priests had been buggering them. That's the Christianity which people on this thread are claiming as "superior" to Islam.

I say who needs religion when you believe in humanity?

Originally Posted by Citizen Smith

I say who needs religion when you believe in humanity?

One of the best and truest things that you've said CS - deserves more than just a 'thanks'!

Originally Posted by Barry

If that is true Islam is the bastard rebellious son that wants to kill its father and grandfather.
Islam is what is written in the Qur'an and wants to kill Christians, and Jews.
It is an absolute political theocracy which seeks to destroy and subjugate all others.

My earlier post was not in jest. I am a Bible believing Christian, as most of you already well know, and the majority of you like to deride at any opportunity.
Some non-believers on this forum are happier to support Islam than Christianity - I don't really get that at all??

I am happy for all Muslims to believe what they believe, as long as they are happy for me to believe what I believe, and be at peace.

Actually Christianity is the heretical religion as it rejects the most important of the ten commandants, according to some (fairly robust) interpretations. Hence the Qu'ran is not such a fan, although I dont remember it saying anything about killing Christians or anything especially negative about Jews!

Originally Posted by Citizen Smith

I say who needs religion when you believe in humanity?

Very well said my friend!!

Originally Posted by sudan

Can we find an explanation of the great universe? Is there any convincing interpretation of the secret of existence? We realize that no family can function properly without a responsible head, that no city can prosperously exist without sound administration, and that no state can survive without a leader of some kind. We also realize that nothing comes into being on its own. Moreover, we observe that the universe exists and functions in the most orderly manner, and that it has survived for hundreds of thousand of years. Can we then say that all this is accidental and haphazard? Can we attribute the existence of man and the whole world to mere chance.
Man represents only a very small portion of the great universe. And if he can make plans and appreciate the merits of planning, then his own existence and the survival of the universe must also be a planned policy. This means that there is an extraordinary power to bring things into being and keep them moving in order.
In the world then must be a great force in action to keep everything in order. In the beautiful nature there must be a Great creator who creates the most charming pieces of art produces every thing for a special purpose in life. The deeply enlightened people recognize this creator and call him Allah "God". He is not a man because no man can create or make another man. He is not an animal, nor he is a plant. He is neither an Idol nor is He a statue of any kind because non of these things can make itself or create anything else. He is different from all these things because he is the maker and keeper of them all. The maker of anything must be different from and greater than things which he makes.
There are various ways to know God "ALLAH'' and there are many things to tell about him. The great wonders and impressive marvels of the world are like open books in which we can read about God. Besides, God Himself comes to our aid through the many Messengers and revelations He has sent down to man. These Messengers and revelations tell us everything we need to know about God.
The complete acceptance of the teachings and guidance of God 'Allah' as revealed to His Messengers Muhammad is the religion of Islam. Islam enjoins faith in the oneness and sovereignty of Allah, which makes man aware of meaningfulness of the Universe and of his place in it. This belief frees him from all fears and superstitions by making him conscious of the presence of the Almighty Allah and of man's obligations towards Him. This faith must be expressed and tested in actions, faith alone is not enough. Belief in one God requires that we look upon all humanity as one family under the universal Omnipotence of God the Creator and Nourisher of all. Islam rejects the idea of chosen people, making belief in God and good actions the only way to heaven. Thus, a direct relationship in established with God, without any intercessor.
Islam is not a new religion. It is, in essence, the same message and guidance which Allah revealed to all Prophets. Adam, Noah, Abraham, Ismael, David, Moses and Jesus (PBUT). But the message which was revealed to Prophet Mohammed (PBUT) is Islam in its comprehensive, complete and final form.
The Quran is the last revealed word of Allah and the basic source of Islamic teachings and laws. The Quran deals with the basis of creeds, morality, history of humanity, worship, knowledge, wisdom, God-man relationship, and human relationship in all aspects. Comprehensive teaching on which, can be built sound systems of social justice, economics, politics, legislation, jurisprudence, law and international relations, are important contents of the Quran. Hadith, the teachings, sayings and actions of Prophet Mohammed (PBUT), meticulously reported and collected by his devoted companions. Explained and elaborated the Quranic verses.

THE FUNDAMENTAL ARTICLES OF FAITH IN ISLAM

The true faithful Muslim believes in the following Principal articles of faith:-

1. He believes in One God 'Allah', Supreme and Eternal, Infinite and Mighty, Merciful and Compassionate, Creator and Provider.
2. He believes in all Messengers of God without any discrimination among them. Every known nation had a warner or Messenger from God. They were chosen by God to teach mankind and deliver His divine message. The Quran mentions the name of twenty five of them. Among them Mohammad stands as the last Messenger and the crowning glory of the foundation of Prophethood.
3. Muslin believes in all scriptures and revelations of God. They were the guiding light which the Messengers received to show their respected peoples the Right Path of God. In the Quran a special reference is made to the books of Abraham, Moses, David and Jesus. But long before the revelations has been lost or corrupted. The only authentic and complete book of God in existence in the Quran.
4. The true Muslim believes in the Angels of Allah. They are purely spiritual and splendid beings whose nature requires on food, drink or sleep. They spend their days and nights in the worship of God.
5. Muslim believes in the last Day of Judgement. This world will come to an end someday, and the dead will rise to stand for their final and fair trial. People with good records will be generously, rewarded and warmly welcomed to the Heaven of Allah, and those with bad records will be punished and cast into Hell.
6. Muslim believes in the timeless knowledge of God and His power to plan and execute His planes and nothing could happen in His Kingdom against His will. His knowledge and power are in action at all times and command over His creation. He is wise and merciful, and whatever He does must have a meaningful purpose. If this is established in our mind and hearts, we should accept with good faith all that He does, although we may fail to under stand it fully, or think it is bad.

THE FIVE PILLARS OF ISLAM

Faith without actions arid practice is a dead end, as far as Islam is concerned. Faith by nature is very sensitive and can be most effective. When it is not out of practice or out of use, it quickly loses its liveliness and motivation power.

There are five pillars of Islam:

1. The declaration of faith: To bear witness that there is none worthy of worship except Allah, and that Mohammad (PBUH) is His Messenger to all human beings till the Day of Judgment. The Prophethood of Mohammad obliges the Muslims to follow, His exemplary life as a model.
2. Prayers: Daily, prayers are offered five times a day as a duty towards Allah. They strengthen and enliven the belief in Allah and inspire man to a higher morality. They purify the heart and prevent temptation towards wrong - doings and evil.
3. Fasting the month of Ramadan. The Muslims during the month of Ramadan not only abstain from food, drink and sexual intercourse from dawn to sunset but also sincerity and devotion. It develops a sound social conscience, patience, unselfishness and will - Power.
4. Zakkah: The literal and simple meaning of Zakkah is purity. The technical meaning of this word designates the annual amount in kind or coin which a Muslim with means must distribute among the rightful beneficiaries. But the religious and spiritual significance of Zakkah is much deeper and more lively. So it has humanitarian and sociopolitical values.
5. Hajj (Pilgrimage to Makkah): It is to be performed once in a lifetime, if one can afford it financially and physically.

Islam means peace, and you dont beg in islam.

Thanks for sharing the informative post. Islam is not only the fastest growing religion in the world, but its influence touches virtually every area of life--not only the spiritual, but the political and economic as well.

Originally Posted by Barry

Islam is a fake religion made up by an antichrist called Mohammed about 1400 years ago.
Christianity is the true faith, which revolves around Jesus Christ, the Son of God and King of the Jews.
He died and rose again to save us all from our sins.

Barry, I'm sure you don't believe that Mohammed was visited by angels and given Gods final revalation to humanity. I'm sure you don't believe he flew into heaven on a white horse either.............. in that respect you as much an atheist as I am.
So why do you believe that virgins give birth, and people survive their own deaths, and the laws of nature suspend themselves in favor of certain people?
Have a read of my signiture Barry, and have a think about it.