Farage to quit as leader of UKIP

[Midas]

Leader of the UK Independence Party Nigel Farage is to announce he is standing down as head of the party.

The South East MEP, who has led UKIP for three years, will tell the party conference he is quitting a year before his term is up.

He will continue to lead the party's MEPs; but he told the BBC that leading the domestic party as well is too much.

He is also set to stand against Commons speaker John Bercow in his Buckingham seat at the next general election.

'Far too big'

Speaking to the BBC, Mr Farage said: "I've been the leader of the domestic party for the last three years and frankly doing both of those jobs is too much for any one person - the party is far too big.

"We're about to embark on a general election campaign in which we're going to have over 500 candidates and because of the way UKIP is structured the leader of the domestic party has got to plan, organise, lead and run that domestic general election campaign.

"And I'm not going to take that burden on because frankly it's too much and anyway I'm going to be busy in Buckingham taking on John Bercow"

Earlier, Mr Farage said he was standing in Mr Bercow's constituency because MPs "have broken the trust" of the British people and Mr Bercow "represents the worst" of the Commons.

Convention rules that Speakers stay out of party politics. Labour and the Lib Dems will not stand against Mr Bercow.

On Friday, Mr Farage is expected to tell the party that he wants to focus on his campaign and his role leading UKIP MEPs in the European Parliament.

According to BBC political correspondent Ben Wright, a new leader will manage the party, run the election strategy and formulate policies and the contest is expected to get under way next week.

At the recent European elections, UKIP came second and its annual conference is focused on trying to get a breakthrough at Westminster.

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[LA]

I really hope Farage does well against the Speaker.

[Greg Lance-Watkins]

I really hope Farage does well against the Speaker.

Hi,

Farage is indubitably a good performer and in that capacity he may well do well against Berkow - however since he will still be trying to run EUkip through his puppet placements it is likely he will not only damage his prospects against Berkow but also damage EUkip yet further than since he seized control of the party as leader as a result of the dishonest and corrupt elections.

It is also likely that his utter incompetence as a leader and lack of OQ will have caught up with him and his days in politics could be abruptly terminated.

Regards,
Greg L-W.

[John West]

Olaf are investigating UKIP. This could have influenced his decision to go.

[Greg Lance-Watkins]

Olaf are investigating UKIP. This could have influenced his decision to go.

Hi,

this is in part what I was alluding to!

Farage is not the only one who seems to have been on the make and the take!

There would seem to be upwards of £10Million gone missing and due to the deliberate obfuscation and the centralising of control in the party as a One man Band the Faragista Fan Club must carry the blame for that.

Time after time Farage and his cronies have been proven dishonest and corrupt - perhaps their corruption is coming home to roost.

It must also be remebered that due to the unprofessional, arrogant, dishonest incompetence of Nigel Farage, Andrew Smith, David Lott, Ma Zucherman, John Wittacker and a few others they managed to so antagonise the Courts and the authorities in their obdurate refusal to comply with electoral law that they talked up a minor infraction that could easily have been made compliant into a full blown piece of self inflicted idiocy - resulting in a Guilty verdict before the Courts and a £3/4 Million debt.

Regards,
Greg L-W.

[Barry]

Hi,

this is in part what I was alluding to!

Farage is not the only one who seems to have been on the make and the take!

There would seem to be upwards of £10Million gone missing and due to the deliberate obfuscation and the centralising of control in the party as a One man Band the Faragista Fan Club must carry the blame for that.

Time after time Farage and his cronies have been proven dishonest and corrupt - perhaps their corruption is coming home to roost.

It must also be remebered that due to the unprofessional, arrogant, dishonest incompetence of Nigel Farage, Andrew Smith, David Lott, Ma Zucherman, John Wittacker and a few others they managed to so antagonise the Courts and the authorities in their obdurate refusal to comply with electoral law that they talked up a minor infraction that could easily have been made compliant into a full blown piece of self inflicted idiocy - resulting in a Guilty verdict before the Courts and a £3/4 Million debt.

Regards,
Greg L-W.

Are you saying that Nigel Farage has been found guilty of an offence of dishonesty in the courts?

[Greg Lance-Watkins]

Are you saying that Nigel Farage has been found guilty of an offence of dishonesty in the courts?

Hi,

as leader of EUkip YES beyond any shadow of doubt he has been proven Guilty of offences under The Electoral Laws - Offences he has personally as leader incurred not just a Guilty verdict for, a debt based on very specific decisions he personally made, a debt that he himself announced amounts to about £3/4 Million.

You will note I stated:

Time after time Farage and his cronies have been proven dishonest and corrupt - perhaps their corruption is coming home to roost.

My statement is correct in substance and in fact - do check The Court Records & also the records of The Electoral Commission.

Regards,
Greg L-W.

[Barry]

Hi,

as leader of EUkip YES beyond any shadow of doubt he has been proven Guilty of offences under The Electoral Laws - Offences he has personally as leader incurred not just a Guilty verdict for, a debt based on very specific decisions he personally made, a debt that he himself announced amounts to about £3/4 Million.

You will note I stated:



My statement is correct in substance and in fact - do check The Court Records & also the records of The Electoral Commission.

Regards,
Greg L-W.

It is not I that has made this accusation on an open forum.
I don't need to check the court records, and I don't know where to look.
As you are accusing a sitting politician of dishonesty and also saying he has been convicted by a court, I would expect you with your greater knowledge of this, to post a link to support what you say.

In which court was he found guilty - on what date? What was the penalty imposed?

[Midas]

In which court was he found guilty - on what date? What was the penalty imposed?

On a general note, if anyone does make references such as this to court hearings or any other official matter which can be publicly verified, a link to the original source material would be appreciated. Otherwise it remains just unsubstantiated hearsay.

[Balthazar]

LOL @ the Blazer Wars.

[Greg Lance-Watkins]

On a general note, if anyone does make references such as this to court hearings or any other official matter which can be publicly verified, a link to the original source material would be appreciated. Otherwise it remains just unsubstantiated hearsay.

Hi,

mea culpa - I had thought people on this thread were relatively well informed politically - my error.

I will track down some of the articles and details and post them for you alternatively if you want a fuller approach may I suggest a detailed read of the facts and background with substantiation and quotes at:
http://CaterpillarsAndButterflies.blogspot.com

As for providing the statement check the court record and some of the detail can be found on The Electoral Commission web site - both of which I have already quoted.

Something so clearly a matter of public record can surely not be considered mere hearsay!

Regards,
Greg L-W.

[Balthazar]

I had thought people on this thread were relatively well informed politically

Yes, but being 'well informed politically' doesn't include knowing every detail of the UKIP Blazer Wars. I knew the Blazers Boys were suing each other with wild enthusiasm but a link to the relevant court documents - ideally uneditorialised by a Blazer obsessive - would be helpful.

[John West]

GLW is refering to the Electoral Commission's case against UKIP. This was to do with illegal donations from a man not on the electoral roll. UKIP was found guilty and fined over £350,000. Total costs come to over £700,000.

[Barry]

Hi,

mea culpa - I had thought people on this thread were relatively well informed politically - my error.

I will track down some of the articles and details and post them for you alternatively if you want a fuller approach may I suggest a detailed read of the facts and background with substantiation and quotes at:
http://CaterpillarsAndButterflies.com

As for providing the statement check the court record and some of the detail can be found on The Electoral Commission web site - both of which I have already quoted.

Something so clearly a matter of public record can surely not be considered mere hearsay!

Regards,
Greg L-W.

You still have not substantiated your accusation.
What you have done is posted a link to a website which comes up "broken link".
If you were taking a sideswipe at my lack of political knowledge, I would put my hands up to that, I am on this forum to both to give and to take, in more ways than one.

[Greg Lance-Watkins]

You still have not substantiated your accusation.
What you have done is posted a link to a website which comes up "broken link".
If you were taking a sideswipe at my lack of political knowledge, I would put my hands up to that, I am on this forum to both to give and to take, in more ways than one.

Hi,

sorry about the link - now corrected but here it is again:
CATERPILLARS and BUTTERFLIES
The link is also on my signature and seems to work OK

Why assume any side swipe was intended!!

I genuinely believed that since the Guilty verdict had been widely publicised in the press, on radio and TV that it was common knowledge - foolish of me!

You will note I also said I would track more links and anyone with more time is welcome to help and also it is covered as I said on the Official web site of The Electoral Commission.

Regards,
Greg L-W.

[Greg Lance-Watkins]

Yes, but being 'well informed politically' doesn't include knowing every detail of the UKIP Blazer Wars. I knew the Blazers Boys were suing each other with wild enthusiasm but a link to the relevant court documents - ideally uneditorialised by a Blazer obsessive - would be helpful.

Hi,

It would be interesting to know exactly what you call 'Blazer Boys' in a seemingly derogatory manner and also who is supposedly suing whom with enthusiasm or is this just hearsay?

Regards,
Greg L-W.

[Balthazar]

Hi,

Hi!

It would be interesting to know exactly what you call 'Blazer Boys'

I mean members of UKIP and their various schisms, splinters, and schisms of splinters.

in a seemingly derogatory manner

Not at all. I'm very fond of Nigel Farage and his blazered, schisming, crew. He's got 'cad' written all over him. Even Jeremy Clarkson views him with sneaking respect.

and also who is supposedly suing whom with enthusiasm

Google 'UKIP litigation'. Feast your eyes dear chap.

or is this just hearsay?

If Google results are 'just hearsay' then yes, it's 100% hearsay. Every single entry is a lie.





p.s. Has anyone told you you've got an almost perfect UKIP name? "Hello! My name's Greg Lance-Watkins. I seem to have left my wallet in the Jag... "

[Greg Lance-Watkins]

Hi,

I mean members of UKIP and their various schisms, splinters, and schisms of splinters.

They have sure achieved that! Having raised the possibility of a Libertarian wing of the Tories opposing Britain's membership of the EU UKIP failed to build the intellectual argument and foundations to build their house and thus in fear of intellect the mouthpieces seized control - leading to fractures and schisms.

Not at all. I'm very fond of Nigel Farage and his blazered, schisming, crew. He's got 'cad' written all over him. Even Jeremy Clarkson views him with sneaking respect.

The potential the party had was massive and Farage is as you describe 'the likeable rogue' - sadly he lacks much beyond the froth and his insecurity is such that he emulates the style of ladies of the Court who used to carry monkeys to make them look more attractive! Just look at the number of decent intelligent people Farage has sadly driven into enmity as he replaced them with paid praise singers.

Google 'UKIP litigation'. Feast your eyes dear chap.

I did - there seems to be staggeringly little of substance.

John West's attempt to find a way to bring to the attention of the electorate via the Courts the undeniable dishonesty and corruption in the EUkip selection of EUkip MEP candidates.

There is also an ongoing case against EUkip under the terms of The DPA and the party has already had a very serious warning from the ICO on failures under the DPA.

If Google results are 'just hearsay' then yes, it's 100% hearsay. Every single entry is a lie.

Unfortunately Google results are all too often unreliable just as quoting Wiki as a source is far from wise - it is so transient.

p.s. Has anyone told you you've got an almost perfect UKIP name? "Hello! My name's Greg Lance-Watkins. I seem to have left my wallet in the Jag... "

For amusement I looked up Balthazar on Google but realised you must be a restauraunt or a Getty - which ata guess shows just how easily Google can mislead!

There is some aint memory that Balthazar was either a war lord or a leader in Persia but I may well be wrong - a source of the name would be appreciated to wake my brain

As for the Jag - never owned one, drove a bullet owned by a flat mate occasionally in the 1960s, road holding was terrible. Must say your suggestion has in fact never occurred but I always thought Lance was a projectionist at The Astra Cinema!

I 'affected' the hyphen when I was about 11 as there were other Wakins in my School and several Gregs! It has remained ever since. Should you wish to provide a wallet full of money I assure you I would be only too happy to be the recipient - or a Jag for that matter!!

Regards,
Greg L-W.

[uncon]

I'm slightly concerned by Mr Watkins.

A man who is apparently happy to accuse others of ad hominem attacks yet attempts to google someone who merely mentioned issues.

Far from expressing a view I am left with the impression that he is more interested in an agenda which unsettles me. The same applies to his little friends who in their efforts to appear statesmanlike produce images of after school behind the bikesheds for a fight.

[LA]

For amusement I looked up Balthazar on Google but realised you must be a restauraunt or a Getty - which ata guess shows just how easily Google can mislead!

There is some aint memory that Balthazar was either a war lord or a leader in Persia but I may well be wrong - a source of the name would be appreciated to wake my brain

Balthazar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Greg Lance-Watkins]

Balthazar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hi,

thanks but I thought there was something more concrete than that - somewhere in Zoroastruism, Babylonian Myth, or the epic stories of Xerxeses, Timor the Lame or? or? - I may be wrong.

Regards,
Greg L-W.

[uncon]

Hi,

thanks but I thought there was something more concrete than that - somewhere in Zoroastruism, Babylonian Myth, or the epic stories of Xerxeses, Timor the Lame or? or? - I may be wrong.

Regards,
Greg L-W.

I often attend a political forum to gain further knowledge of Herodotus.

I'm guessing that the three wise men never occured to you at all? Poor Balthazar.


You are obviously more interested in fine dining and rich people.

Consider yourself dismissed sir.

[Greg Lance-Watkins]

I often attend a political forum to gain further knowledge of Herodotus.

I'm guessing that the three wise men never occured to you at all? Poor Balthazar.


You are obviously more interested in fine dining and rich people.

Consider yourself dismissed sir.

Hi,

as one of the Magi Balthazar was seen as a King and wise man - he would have dined well

Had they been wise men they would have sold the Frankinsense, swopped the Mhyrr and converted all to Gold.

Had they done this and invested in the Building Society even on the lowest of interest rates being compound and pre-dating anti trust laws they would have had a block of gold the size of the moon - more than enough to solve the current credit scams!

As I recall Balthazar did not feature in any contemporary literature and was not in The most likely gospel, that of John. I also know of no reference in the dead sea scrolls and I'm darned if I can think of any reference despite the clear popularity of the name.

I'm pretty sure there is also no comment in that name in The Talmud or Kabala.

Herodotus of course turned up long after the event and does include him in his history but seemingly without sourcing or context. I'm sure there must be a firmer sourcing and more details somewhere if he was eligible for the title of Magi.

Regards,
Greg L-W.

[uncon]

Hi,

as one of the Magi Balthazar was seen as a King and wise man - he would have dined well

Had they been wise men they would have sold the Frankinsense, swopped the Mhyrr and converted all to Gold.

Had they done this and invested in the Building Society even on the lowest of interest rates being compound and pre-dating anti trust laws they would have had a block of gold the size of the moon - more than enough to solve the current credit scams!

As I recall Balthazar did not feature in any contemporary literature and was not in The most likely gospel, that of John. I also know of no reference in the dead sea scrolls and I'm darned if I can think of any reference despite the clear popularity of the name.

I'm prety sure there is also no comment in that name in The Talmud or Kabala.

Regards,
Greg L-W.

As you recall he was one of the getty's and a restaurant.

I'm rather disturbed by your sudden recollection of things that you needed to be reminded of.

I'm not convinced here. To be honest, you and your pals have probably lost a couple of votes due to your behaviour here. but hey, you got to perform like complete prats in front of us...Go you! tell you what...I'll even let UKIP have the links as a favour to you

[Greg Lance-Watkins]

Hi,

As you recall he was one of the getty's and a restaurant.

Have you looked on Google? Several restaurants called Balthazar's and Paul Getty's grandson was also Balthazar, you may recall a face kidnap etc.

I'm rather disturbed by your sudden recollection of things that you needed to be reminded of.

Why? Of course when one bothers thinking about things information tends to come to mind!!

Just as your comment on Herodotus reminded me of his history and also The Gospel of Thomas since M,M,L&J's gospels did not give names to the Magi as I recall.

I'm not convinced here. To be honest, you and your pals have probably lost a couple of votes due to your behaviour here. but hey, you got to perform like complete prats in front of us...Go you! tell you what...I'll even let UKIP have the links as a favour to you

One of the beauties of freedom of choice - sadly diminishing day by day due to EU diktat and the New Constitution.

Regards,
Greg L-W.

[uncon]

Hi,



Have you looked on Google? Several restaurants called Balthazar's and Paul Getty's grandson was also Balthazar, you may recall a face kidnap etc.



Why? Of course when one bothers thinking about things information tends to come to mind!!

Just as your comment on Herodotus reminded me of his history and also The Gospel of Thomas since M,M,L&J's gospels did not give names to the Magi as I recall.



One of the beauties of freedom of choice - sadly diminishing day by day due to EU diktat and the New Constitution.

Regards,
Greg L-W.

Apparently one of the beauties of your choice is to waffle and deflect when faced with a direct challenge. Please refrain from making yourself a fool again as I have little sympathy with them.

[Greg Lance-Watkins]

Apparently one of the beauties of your choice is to waffle and deflect when faced with a direct challenge. Please refrain from making yourself a fool again as I have little sympathy with them.

Hi,

sorry don't understand your problem!

Your direct challenge was?

Do you want to rewrite with some clarity and I'll try to help!

Regards,
greg L-W.

[Greg Lance-Watkins]

Hi,

here is one instance where Farage was involved and in collusion:
The battle to nail an MEP fraudster - Times Online


EUkip/Farage found Guilty subject to forfeiture of approx £367K + costs a total sum pronounced by Nigel Farage as £3/4 Million.
Statement on Court of Appeal judgement on donations to UKIP
19 Oct 2009
CLICK HERE

UKIP facing loss of £350,000 in donations after losing court battle
CLICK HERE

I hope this helps - you will find far more detail and background at:
CLICK HERE or CLICK HERE

I hope these URLs you requested suffice.

Regards,
Greg L-W.

[Greg Lance-Watkins]

Are you saying that Nigel Farage has been found guilty of an offence of dishonesty in the courts?

My actual statement was:

Time after time Farage and his cronies have been proven dishonest and corrupt - perhaps their corruption is coming home to roost.

Nigel Farage as leader oversaw the recent selection of MEP candidates which was found to be corrupt and dishonest.

Nigel Farage having promised that his accounts and other EUkip MEPs would be fully transparent in 1999 has to date failed to publish them the nearest are those of Nikki Sinclaire MEP & a rather sarcy version by Mike Nattrass.

Nigel Farage was even unwilling to explain the £2,000,000 in extra expenses which he has trousered (minimum) on breakfast TV.

Nigel Farage gave an undertaking that he would never employ members of his family and nor would any other MEP - Nigel Farage was exposed by The Sunday Times for having employed his wife without telling his colleagues and his own office did not know she was on a salary of about £30,000 a year nor did they ever find out what services she rendered for that!

Nigel Farage has taken no action against other MEPs employing members of their families other than to sneer and belittle Gerard Batten for employing members of his family behind his back.

Nigel Farage became embroiled in a Timber Futures scam in Gibraltar that the Gibraltar Police consider to be an ongoing investigation running to losses around £800K more details are at CLICK HERE

Nigel Farage became embroilled in a drunken incident in Strasburg which was reported by 'Pandora' in The Independent.

Nigel Farage earned himself a two page spread for drunken stupidity and consorting with a prostitute from Riga called Ligga as I recall the full story was in The News of The World.

Clearly these are not solitary instances - they do however more than substantiate my comment:

Time after time Farage and his cronies have been proven dishonest and corrupt - perhaps their corruption is coming home to roost.

I hope this helps clarify the facts to your satisfaction. Clearly a great deal more information is available.

Regards,
Greg L-W.

PS sorry it took a while to get the facts for you - hours in the day!
Regards,
Greg L-W.

[Barry]

Time after time Farage and his cronies have been proven dishonest and corrupt - perhaps their corruption is coming home to roost.

You know, I took this to mean proven, as in proven in Court.
My mistake.

[Greg Lance-Watkins]

You know, I took this to mean proven, as in proven in Court.
My mistake.

Hi,

glad that is clarified. There is of course the Electoral Commission case where he was proven Guilty and due to a series of inept and irresponsible but deliberate decisions as leader Farage managed to talk up a minor error to a Guilty verdict at Court and a 33/4Million of debt!

Crass or what - sadly the whole of the management structure of EUkip is that incompetent which is largely why in 16 years they have achieved absolutely nothing for the public and Britain whilst on their self enrichment scams.

regards,
Greg L-W.