Octopus Asked: re: Understanding Perception of The Problem.

[Greg Lance-Watkins]

Hi,

Octopus Asked:

However, I don"t know what your nieghbourhood is like,

Quite pleasant much of the time but as with many small British towns over run with foul mouthed aggressive drunken yobs all too often.
Badly policed, largely damaged by the self serving decisions of a burgeoning and useless Council.
Crass interference by EU refunds of money stolen from us with the aid of our corrupt politicians.

but in most of the people I have spoken to, they like me, are terrified of a Muslim takeover, and they live in areas with large immigrant numbers, so know what they are talking about - DO YOU?

How many Muslims do you know? What are their views? How can YOU work with them to strengthen the basic law abiding nature of your community?

Are you talking of immigrants or Muslims, since you seem to be very confussed about which you are addressing.

living amongst people is a natural part of life and their beliefs seem supremely irrelevant to me - at no time am I pestered by Muslims but I am frequently harassed by Jehovahs Wet Nurses and Mormons and I am disinclined to tolerate badly clattered church bells when it becomes excessive.

As to whether I know what I am talking about - you may be the judge yet you show without doubt that you do not and merely rant.

2.4 million, or 24, when you have people threatning to decapitate, people whom they deem as enemies, on our home soil,

Firstly it is important to establish facts in a discussion - The Muslim population of Britain stands at about 2.4 Million including those whose adherance to the beliefs of Islam have lapsed.

I find copulation in the street offensive, urination in the street, vomiting in the street, random brawling and other similar behaviour - all of which we see in a small market town!

Had it occurred to you that the general deterioration of behaviour has largely come about as a result of Britain's failure to maintain its freedom, liberty, sovereignty and control of our borders and our streets since becoming vassals of the EU with no say of our destiny nor right to make law in our own parliament at Westminster. A loss of self respect aided by incompetent and venal policing.

The demonstartions of an ugly nature are largely self inflicted when you consider our tolerance of inter personal abuse.

You will find elsewhere, on the UKIP thread, some vile little troll has further dragged EUkip's name in the gutter by the vile nature of their attack on myself and John West - you will note the glee with which they announce (inaccurately) that my house was broken into last year!

That was the behaviour of a EUkip supporter who doubtless fears having his snout kicked out of the trough and/or exposure of dishonesty made clear.

I sorry, but I think it"s time they left our Island,

Whose Island? Frankly I would rather deport all football hooligans, drug dealers and repeat offending violent criminals. Many of the Muslims amongst whom I have lived have been law abiding decent hard working individual disgusted by the effects of alcohol on all too many people.

Who exactly do you advocate deporting and to where?

and your free to leave with them if you wish.

Had you thought of leaving? Having traveled world wide I am very much resident here by choice and with a wide experience against which to compare. I find the implication of your comment unacceptable and offensive - it would seem that those who do not take what seems to be a somewhat neanderthal approach and may consider facts is unwelcome in our own Country.

What a ghastly future you wish on others.

Sorry if that offends your Liberal sensibilties.

Were I a Liberal it might do but what I find offensive is your knuckle dragging attitude to facts and your offensive nature which seems to grant you the right to great leaps of presumption and prejudice without understanding or factual knowledge.

It would seem you can't even tell the difference between an Indian and a Muslim!!! Well just to help you - Indians vary from whiter than British average amongst the Parsees, Christians and Hindi of Bombay who tend to be a sort of coffee colour to many Tamils who are a very dark brown to certain Madrassees who are sometimes to be found a negroid black. Cat Stevens is a Muslim and is a sort of pinky white!

You may be reflecting mainstream believe in some "Red Brick UNI", but I can assure you, that you are in the minority,

Fortunately I have had no contact with made over pollys nor Red Brick Unis. Fortunately I am not in a minority or this would be a prety vile Country to live in - judgemental thugs and bullies with little education and a hatred of foreigners seemingly based on lack of knowledge!

THE BRITISH PEOPLE HAVE HAD ENOUGH! WE WANT ACTION! Yes, your right it is a rant!

& it is the utterly disjointed nature of your rant which undermines your contention.

Why have you so little self confidence?

Since you are so frightened of Islam have you ever attended a Mosque, discussed your fears with an Imam, had the fundamental tenets of the Muslim beliefs explained to you, read the Qoran, attended a Friday Prayers - The best way of defeating an enemy is to understand them - come to think of it when did you last read the Bible or attend a routine Church service?

Regards,
Greg L-W.

[Barry]

It is rather disturbing having threads like this started to pour out a bitter attack on an individual member.

[Midas]

It is rather disturbing having threads like this started to pour out a bitter attack on an individual member.

It is in hand Barry.

[Greg Lance-Watkins]

It is in hand Barry.

Hi,

I totally agree.

This is why having been the victim of a clearly ad hominem attack attributing knowledge, information and beliefs to me by octypus I felt it was sensible to play the ball rather than the man and deal with the issues in detail.

Thanks for your support.

Let us hope people can deal with issues rather than attribute false beliefs and understandings to individuals. If people make such personalised attacks clearly it is entirely reasonable to robustly defend oneself.

Regards,
Greg L-W.

[Barry]

I'm not sure my sanity is good for this forum!

[Opinionated]

I'm not sure my sanity is good for this forum!

Yup, you don't have to be mad to post here, but it certainly helps!

[uncon]

I was beginning to think the whole 'octopus asked' routine was a regular agony aunt column.

I almost wrote for advice as to my tourettes and embarassing flatulence, oh and how to get Robby Jones in form 11b to notice me (for reasons other then the profanity and uncontrollable wind)