Voting UKIP - why not?

[Barry]

I'm SERIOUSLY thinking of voting UKIP at the imminent General Election.
I have previously voted Tory at most elections, though occasionally green and independent in local elections.

Any reason I shouldn't vote UKIP? - their policies all look pretty good to me.

[DC]

Their policies are fairly sound, although from what I understand they lack a lot of political experience. Having said that I would vote for them. I also think this is a thought alot of people are having now.

[Midas]

I would agree that most of the policies they have do seem to be sound, although DCFGS3 has a very valid point about lacking political experience, however that could equally be applied to all the minor parties, and we all have to start from somewhere. To ignore a party because it's not established to the degree one might ideally like is to simply perpetuate the present Labour/Tory duopoly.

What concerns me far more, having read in greater depth about some of the political shenanigans which have gone on within UKIP, is that a vote for them will simply be a vote for yet another dishonest and politically motivated party. What we, what this country, really needs is a credible alternative who aren't just going to perpetuate the system with little more than a slightly different shade of red or blue, and who aren't afraid to stand up and challenge the whole way that the political system itself works. That's something which I personally think would resonate with a substantial number of voters from all sides of the political divide.

[Balthazar]

What concerns me far more, having read in greater depth about some of the political shenanigans which have gone on within UKIP, is that a vote for them will simply be a vote for yet another dishonest and politically motivated party.

UKIP has two distinct problems:

1. Many UKIP members are certifiably insane. They'll wrap it up as something else - they're not 'politically correct,' they call a spade a shovel, they have been victimised for exposing a conspiracy perpetrated by the North London liberal elite etc. But once you cut through that self-serving smokescreen you find a group of people who are congenitally incapable of working harmoniously with other people in a political organisation.

2. The UKIP 'anti-PC' doctrine is actually very damaging to any political organisation. Again and again I've heard UKIP types drone on about how they're 'not PC.' You then examine what they say and discover that being 'not PC' is code for being bloody rude. In other words they're petty bourgeois louts who use the 'anti-PC' doctrine as an excuse to say cruel and unpleasant things to people. Within a political party - politics is all about building alliances - such behaviour is the kiss of death.

The other petty bourgeois grouplettes on the right - UKIP splinters - suffer the same two problems. Until they get over them they're basically unelectable because they'll always implode.

[uncon]

I'm SERIOUSLY thinking of voting UKIP at the imminent General Election.
I have previously voted Tory at most elections, though occasionally green and independent in local elections.

Any reason I shouldn't vote UKIP? - their policies all look pretty good to me.

I would have thought that producing the likes of Greg, Octopus and Tuna name would be reason enough....fishy stuff

[James]

I voted UKIP at the last EU election because i don't believe in the direction that we are heading in Europe, especially the recent ratification of the Treaty of Lisbon.

1. Many UKIP members are certifiably insane. they call a spade a shovel,

Yes... using a name you dont use for an object IS insane!

But once you cut through that self-serving smokescreen you find a group of people who are congenitally incapable of working harmoniously with other people in a political organisation.

They are incapable of working with pro European groups because of the very name of the party itself, they don't WANT to work inside the EU. As for working in the UK system, they are elected in many councils and seem to make a good contribution, and you can't comment on their co-operation within Westminister as they dont have any MPs

[Barry]

I would have thought that producing the likes of Greg, Octopus and Tuna name would be reason enough....fishy stuff

I'm trying to keep away from the "vendetta blazer brigade".

I'm looking at policies here:
UKIP policies in brief 2009 - UK Independence Party

If they could deliver on more than 50% of those I would be somewhat impressed.

I want rid of Labour so much, but I'm not sure about splitting the vote. I think there will be a lot of old Tory voters moving towards UKIP and possibly the BNP to a lesser extent.

[SussexWithLove]

I would agree that most of the policies they have do seem to be sound, although DCFGS3 has a very valid point about lacking political experience, .

The Labour and Conservative parties have plenty of experience and look where that got us.

UKIPPERS have been milking the tax payers’ pockets; they can’t be trusted with or without experience.

[Greg Lance-Watkins]

I'm trying to keep away from the "vendetta blazer brigade".
I'm looking at policies here:
UKIP policies in brief 2009 - UK Independence Party
If they could deliver on more than 50% of those I would be somewhat impressed.
I want rid of Labour so much, but I'm not sure about splitting the vote. I think there will be a lot of old Tory voters moving towards UKIP and possibly the BNP to a lesser extent.

Hi,

can you identify a single policy that any Westminster Parliamentary group or Party could enact without permission from The EU?

Perhaps you have not realised our Government is now, as of December 1st. 2009, located in Brussels.

Do please read The Treaty of Elysee & The New Constitution in one of its guises as enacted in The Treaty of Lisbon.

A measure of the utter dishonesty, for how could it be collective congenital stupidity, of our entire political elite has been their abject failure to defend us, our borders, our values, our economy, our industry, our liberty, our sovereignty or our future.

May I suggest you start out by reading EU Truth

Assume 90% is untrue, an exaggeration or alarmist and consider the most acceptable 10% and then consider what you knew of it and whether it is what you want for yourself, your children, your future or your Country.

Did your politicians tell you this?

PRAVDAS headline read:
Twenty Years after the Fall of the Berlin Wall, the EU is a Reincarnation of the Former Soviet Union

To read the full article it is part of CLICK HERE

Regards,
Greg L-W.

[Barry]

The Labour and Conservative parties have plenty of experience and look where that got us.

UKIPPERS have been milking the tax payers’ pockets; they can’t be trusted with or without experience.

... and Labour, Tories and LibDems haven't?

Oh yes, they all have, they are all a little bit corrupt and dishonest, so it's back to the policies again.

Greg, thanks for your post, but it doesn't give much advice, just that perhaps voting for any party is a superfluous act, owing to the creation of a superstate - I see your point.

[Greg Lance-Watkins]

Hi,

... and Labour, Tories and LibDems haven't?

To be honest I believe they have all been so cranno rectally retentive since about 1993/4 particularly that they could be described as having no meaningful experience as they sought ways to feather their own nests - largely at our expense!

Oh yes, they all have, they are all a little bit corrupt and dishonest, so it's back to the policies again.

I am surprised you consider them only A LITTLE corrupt! I can imagine nothing more corrupt than treacherously betraying your employers and handing over control of their home, valuables, values and future to untrustworthy self serving foreigners. As our political elite have done in return for personal gain!

Greg, thanks for your post, but it doesn't give much advice, just that perhaps voting for any party is a superfluous act, owing to the creation of a superstate - I see your point.

I am sorry - I don't do advice!

I am happy to tell you what I believe if you wish, including my reasoning and the facts to back it, but if so do feel free to start a separate thread - so as not to wander off topic of those wanting to discuss the utterly irrelevant and largely uncosted 6th. form level policies of EUkip!!!

Much as they may clamour of leaving the EU they are in a pro EU, racist, xenophobic, anti Jewish sexually intollerant extremist and violent Pan EU Political Party group The EFD and in 16 years have NEVER published so much as a briefing paper on:
The Benefits of leaving The EU
The Exit & Survival Strategy - without which if we leave we start to starve in 9 days!

Minded of course that they have just had one of their MEPs fined £30K and sentenced to 2 years prison for fraud in which they were all embroiled and currently have about 5 MEPs under investigation and a leader who not so much lacks OQ but would barely make LanceJack as a barrack room lawyer in any civilised society - a moral dyslexic!

Regards,
Greg L-W.

[SussexWithLove]

... and Labour, Tories and LibDems haven't?

Oh yes, they all have, they are all a little bit corrupt and dishonest, so it's back to the policies again.

BNP arent

[bullet]

ukip has at least on good policy out of europe. The problem is the political system. While ever political parties have to go cap in hand to the rich the system will never be fair. The taxpayer should select partys from a list and fund the parties. No other funding should be allowed.

[Balthazar]

I think there will be a lot of old Tory voters moving towards UKIP and possibly the BNP to a lesser extent.

That, for me, is the most interesting statement on this thread. In typical British fashion we've developed anti-EU, anti-immigrant, pro-little Englander parties split on class lines: UKIP for the blazer brigade, BNP for the proles. The extent to which they make common purpose is a key issue. I suspect they can't. Class divisions run even deeper than hatred of foreigners. Or, to put it another way, the British, particularly the English, hate their own countrymen more than anyone else. LOL @ the English.

[bullet]

There is no need to complicate things. Any form of prejudice is born out of ignorance and lack of education whichever side of the fence you sit on. Radical Muslims are the same as the radical element of the bnp they just sit on a different side of the fence. Keep the working class arguing between themselves while the rich are committing murder in the name of profit.

[Greg Lance-Watkins]

Hi,

on the first day of several days of debate on The New Constitution The British Government at Westminster voted to pass into law The Lisbon Treaty, which was merely one of many virtually identical re-writes of The New Constitution which for 8 years the unelected Government of Britain in The EU had been endeavouring to force upon the peoples of Britain and the EU.

EUkip had not produced a single briefing papper of consequence that they had managed to pass to the British peoples and no British party had made any serious effort to inform the electorate of the content of this document of surrender to foreign rule.

Despite the undemocratic nature of the Lisbon version of The New Constitution British politicians in direct abrogation of their duty and ultra virese toThe British Constitution, most particularly the 1689 Bill of Rights, enshrined in Law and immutably doubly entrenched as a foundation document of our modern Parliament betrayed these United Kingdoms and the peoples thereof in a collective act of Treason.

Minded that it was an action made with knowledge of the consequences and deliberately in betrayal of their duty and the law, it was thus by definition an act of Treason.

On the 1st. December 2009 whatever you may or may not have considered your rights to be heretofore, as a direct result of the betrayal of our politicians at Westminster, The New Constitution becomes BRITISH law.

I feel sure (NOT) that your Government being the honourable and honest body they are (NOT) will have brought to your attention that under the ruling of the 1999 verdict of the EUropean Courts of Justice, which from 01-Dec-09 will be the Supreme/Ultimate Courts of Justice of our Government (in Brussels), Court Ruling c274/99 dictates that it shall be illegal to criticise The EU and it will therefore be a Criminal Act to vote for UKIP (or for that matter UKFP; BNP; EDP etc.)

>Opposition is of course forbidden under the law.<

There shall of course, under the same New Constitution be No Death Penalty - however there is written into the treaty provision for the execution of citizens in the street by the enforcement authorities of the new State should they deem it appropriate! What did your Politician think of when he explained this New Constitution to you and why he was going to be party to enacting it into Law?*

What, as a potential EUkip voter, do YOU think of YOUR New Constitution which also provides for summary dismissal of a Police Officer if he refuses to swear allegiance to The EU, renders Her Majesty The Queen as Surrogate to The Council of Ministers, just for starters.

Since you are having criminal thoughts in breech of the law from 01-Dec-09 what do you feel you should do?

Regards,
Greg L-W.

To quote Alvin Toffler:

"Some people say I am an alarmist, too god damned right, I am alarmed"

[Balthazar]

Hi,

on the first day of several days of debate on The New Constitution The British Government at Westminster voted to pass into law The Lisbon Treaty, which was merely one of many virtually identical re-writes of The New Constitution which for 8 years the unelected Government of Britain in The EU had been endeavouring to force upon the peoples of Britain and the EU.

EUkip had not produced a single briefing papper of consequence that they had managed to pass to the British peoples and no British party had made any serious effort to inform the electorate of the content of this document of surrender to foreign rule.

Despite the undemocratic nature of the Lisbon version of The New Constitution British politicians in direct abrogation of their duty and ultra virese toThe British Constitution, most particularly the 1689 Bill of Rights, enshrined in Law and immutably doubly entrenched as a foundation document of our modern Parliament betrayed these United Kingdoms and the peoples thereof in a collective act of Treason.

Minded that it was an action made with knowledge of the consequences and deliberately in betrayal of their duty and the law, it was thus by definition an act of Treason.

On the 1st. December 2009 whatever you may or may not have considered your rights to be heretofore, as a direct result of the betrayal of our politicians at Westminster, The New Constitution becomes BRITISH law.

I feel sure (NOT) that your Government being the honourable and honest body they are (NOT) will have brought to your attention that under the ruling of the 1999 verdict of the EUropean Courts of Justice, which from 01-Dec-09 will be the Supreme/Ultimate Courts of Justice of our Government (in Brussels), Court Ruling c274/99 dictates that it shall be illegal to criticise The EU and it will therefore be a Criminal Act to vote for UKIP (or for that matter UKFP; BNP; EDP etc.)

>Opposition is of course forbidden under the law.<

There shall of course, under the same New Constitution be No Death Penalty - however there is written into the treaty provision for the execution of citizens in the street by the enforcement authorities of the new State should they deem it appropriate! What did your Politician think of when he explained this New Constitution to you and why he was going to be party to enacting it into Law?*

What, as a potential EUkip voter, do YOU think of YOUR New Constitution which also provides for summary dismissal of a Police Officer if he refuses to swear allegiance to The EU, renders Her Majesty The Queen as Surrogate to The Council of Ministers, just for starters.

Since you are having criminal thoughts in breech of the law from 01-Dec-09 what do you feel you should do?

Regards,
Greg L-W.

To quote Alvin Toffler:

The trouble is, Britain's constitutional arrangements have always been imposed, top-down, measures so your arguments don't apply. It's different from, say, France or the US where the common people have a genuine sense of ownership of their Constitution. Just read posts here by Flash or Tantal. Their patriotism is grounded on the US Constitution and other founding documents which belong to them. The US is their nation, and they can prove it with the paperwork!

Conversely, the vast majority of the British population are alienated from their own nation. It goes to the root of what a class society is like: top people decide how constitutional matters are arranged, then impose them on everyone else, either quietly slipped through or lubricated with propaganda pumped out by equally corrupt newspapers. So it doesn't matter to most people if British politicians play their games with their bits of paper. Who cares? They're playing around with something they own. It's not ours.

That's why UKIPers always sound faintly ridiculous, Pooterish, train-spotterish, when raging about 'the British Constitution.' It's not even our Parliament. It belongs to the Queen!

Of course, I'd love to see Britain's semi-reformed Constitutional Monarchy brought up to date - written constitution, elected head of state, proportional representation, blah blah blah, all underpinned by a constitutional convention followed by a referundum. But until that happens who cares how the top people arrange their nation? Indeed, I'd rather be governed by a pan-European ruling class than Britain's wildly unpatriotic, inbred, separatist, ruling junta.

[octopus]

i would have thought that producing the likes of greg, octopus and tuna name would be reason enough....fishy stuff

The policies ARE GOOD!

[octopus]

I'm SERIOUSLY thinking of voting UKIP at the imminent General Election.
I have previously voted Tory at most elections, though occasionally green and independent in local elections.

Any reason I shouldn't vote UKIP? - their policies all look pretty good to me.

It is a stark choice really. The PC parties UKIP or the BNP. All the people I speak to go to UKIP.

[John West]

I would agree that most of the policies they have do seem to be sound, although DCFGS3 has a very valid point about lacking political experience, however that could equally be applied to all the minor parties, and we all have to start from somewhere. To ignore a party because it's not established to the degree one might ideally like is to simply perpetuate the present Labour/Tory duopoly.

What concerns me far more, having read in greater depth about some of the political shenanigans which have gone on within UKIP, is that a vote for them will simply be a vote for yet another dishonest and politically motivated party. What we, what this country, really needs is a credible alternative who aren't just going to perpetuate the system with little more than a slightly different shade of red or blue, and who aren't afraid to stand up and challenge the whole way that the political system itself works. That's something which I personally think would resonate with a substantial number of voters from all sides of the political divide.

Look at the Tom Wise business. Farage has said to the press Wise was thrown out of UKIP when in fact he resigned from it in March 2009.

Farage can't even tell the truth about that

[octopus]

Look at the Tom Wise business. Farage has said to the press Wise was thrown out of UKIP when in fact he resigned from it in March 2009.

Farage can't even tell the truth about that

I think really just concentrate on the policies, not the people. Overall, UKIP has the best policies - GOOD SOUND COMMON SENSE! Every party has dishonesty, and dishonest people, that"s politics. Do you really want another 5 years of PC Labour, and the Tories are almost as bad. In short, there is nowhere else to go, except the BNP, and if UKIP do fail, that"s where we will have to go.

[Greg Lance-Watkins]

I think really just concentrate on the policies, not the people. Overall, UKIP has the best policies - GOOD SOUND COMMON SENSE! Every party has dishonesty, and dishonest people, that"s politics. Do you really want another 5 years of PC Labour, and the Tories are almost as bad. In short, there is nowhere else to go, except the BNP, and if UKIP do fail, that"s where we will have to go.

Hi,

I think you overlook one thing ANY policy on ANY thing other than leave The EU is utterly irrelevant for ANY party.

Whilst a vassal region of the new Super state Westminster needs the EU's permission to enact ANY law or policy.

This being the irrefutable case what is the relevance of policies?

Regards,
Greg L-W.

[Greg Lance-Watkins]

Look at the Tom Wise business. Farage has said to the press Wise was thrown out of UKIP when in fact he resigned from it in March 2009.

Farage can't even tell the truth about that

Hi,

sadly true.

Unfortunately Farage's 'performance' on the BBC Politics programme showed all anyone would ever need o know about EUkip - a one man band run by a petulant, divisive egotist. To go on National TV and slag off 3 of your own MEPs just to ensure you got your own way - showing utter contempt for the party and its members as long as your puppet could be used as a placewarmer for your return as leader showed just how frail and unsound EUkip is.

Farage is clearly a 'performer' but a little man without Officer Qualities, without loyalty beyond himself and without leadership ability.

Regards,
Greg L-W.

[Major Sinic]

Look at the Tom Wise business. Farage has said to the press Wise was thrown out of UKIP when in fact he resigned from it in March 2009.

Farage can't even tell the truth about that

It is unproductive to criticise the honesty and truth telling of one particular politician or political party when there are liars and crooks in the senior ranks of every party. As a Tory, I am contemptuous of Archer and Black, but I am equally contemptuous of, for instance, Lord Taylor and Eliot Morley along with all the other unprincipled, immoral Labour, Tory and Liberal Democrat Members of Parliament who cynically ripped off the taxpayer.

If Nigel Farage is the best example of political immorality you can come up with, then UKIP do not have a lot to worry about in this regard.

[Greg Lance-Watkins]

The trouble is, Britain's constitutional arrangements have always been imposed, top-down, measures so your arguments don't apply. It's different from, say, France or the US where the common people have a genuine sense of ownership of their Constitution. Just read posts here by Flash or Tantal. Their patriotism is grounded on the US Constitution and other founding documents which belong to them. The US is their nation, and they can prove it with the paperwork!

Conversely, the vast majority of the British population are alienated from their own nation. It goes to the root of what a class society is like: top people decide how constitutional matters are arranged, then impose them on everyone else, either quietly slipped through or lubricated with propaganda pumped out by equally corrupt newspapers. So it doesn't matter to most people if British politicians play their games with their bits of paper. Who cares? They're playing around with something they own. It's not ours.

That's why UKIPers always sound faintly ridiculous, Pooterish, train-spotterish, when raging about 'the British Constitution.' It's not even our Parliament. It belongs to the Queen!

Of course, I'd love to see Britain's semi-reformed Constitutional Monarchy brought up to date - written constitution, elected head of state, proportional representation, blah blah blah, all underpinned by a constitutional convention followed by a referundum. But until that happens who cares how the top people arrange their nation? Indeed, I'd rather be governed by a pan-European ruling class than Britain's wildly unpatriotic, inbred, separatist, ruling junta.

Hi,

were you trying to address my points on The New Constitution in the guise of The Lisbon Treaty or merely finding a possible link for a set piece speech?

If the former - you seem not to have mentioned what I said and wherein were comments regarding The British Constitution on my part?

If the latter - I hear your opinion but do not agree with its over simplification and all too ready shelter in stereotypes.

There are NO circumstances under which I would wish to substitute our frail democratic right to self determination under Westminster Governance within our own borders in the interest of our own peoples for an external imposition of undemocratic diktat by a largely communist form of centralised fabianesque Socialism howso ere it may masquerade.

Britain now has a 1/27th. say on The Council of Ministers, 1/27th. say on The EU Central Committee and about an 8% fractured say in the farcical undemocratic Parliament.

A recipe for at least economic disaster, more likely famine and most probably war.

You may have noted one of the benefits of open borders is free travel - however a slight draw back is emerging as you may have noted that The Ukraine is currently on 'Lock Down' due to a 'sport' of influenza which would seem in its fatalities to be all too similar to Pneumonic Plague - fortunately it SEEMS not to have yet developed into full blown Pneumonic Plague - which unlike other diseases requires no vector and has a 100% morbidity amongst defined cases.

How very responsible these open borders would seem!!

Regards,
Greg L-W.

[Greg Lance-Watkins]

It is unproductive to criticise the honesty and truth telling of one particular politician or political party when there are liars and crooks in the senior ranks of every party. As a Tory, I am contemptuous of Archer and Black, but I am equally contemptuous of, for instance, Lord Taylor and Eliot Morley along with all the other unprincipled, immoral Labour, Tory and Liberal Democrat Members of Parliament who cynically ripped off the taxpayer.

If Nigel Farage is the best example of political immorality you can come up with, then UKIP do not have a lot to worry about in this regard.

Hi,

silly me I thought this was a thread all about EUkip!
From your comment on Nigel Farage perhaps you would care to outline what he has been involved in since you would seem to know.

Whilst still on the subject of the thread EUkip do you happen to know much about The Jerusalem Summit and British Zionism and Christian Zionism?

We must get around to William Hagues relationship with Leon Britten and why Margaret Thatcher moved him out of The cabinet to be a Commissioner some time.

Then perhaps we could discuss the involvement of Francis Fraude as a member of The Tri.Lats. and his role in management of Vapid Cameron, perhaps we could consider just how friendly Alan Duncan is with his particular interests in Arabs perhaps William can assist there as they did share a flat.

When we have dealt with that we can ponder Tony Blair's activities of 1983 as Charles Lynton, the artist Ewan ...., Lord Levy's relationship as enumerated in chapter 6 of The Rise of New Labour, Jack Straw's involvement in the cover-up of his brother's sexual abuse of his 14 year old son etc. etc., then perhaps we could consider where Cherrie Booth was when Ewan got drunk on a work experience with Spielberg and with whom.

However humour me - lets TRY to stick to EUkip on this thread

Regards,
Greg L-W.

[uncon]

I'm loving this.

Following the whole will they won't they have a referendum thing, people have been stating on newspapers, broadcasting and blog sites that they are going to vote UKIP.

How do they respond in order to cement this potentially huge vote?

They spend their entire time tearing themselves and each other apart. Good job boys! At this rate you could recieve a handwritten letter of thanks from Cameron! (I bet you he even spells the names right)

[British]

I'm SERIOUSLY thinking of voting UKIP at the imminent General Election.
I have previously voted Tory at most elections, though occasionally green and independent in local elections.

Any reason I shouldn't vote UKIP? - their policies all look pretty good to me.

Barry, you have mentioned that if there were no UKIP you would probably vote BNP. The BNP carry many similar policies and are ahead of UKIP. Just a thought for you, if you want those policies carried out, why not vote for those most likely to get there? With extra votes, you may well see the policies you desire come to fruition.

[Streetwalker]

For all UKIPs failings,their inexperiance,the own goals and nievety I would take them before the scum of liebour the backstabing of the CONservative party and the alien thoughs of the libdims or whatever they are called now.
UKIP have what the others dont.ie a clear and constructive manifesto for election.No half promises ,maybe this or maybe not gobbledegook. With UKIp you will know whats comming,not something you will be able to say about the others (bar BNP if thats your bag)

[Streetwalker]

. The BNP carry many similar policies and are ahead of UKIP. .

Where exactally are they ahead ?

[uncon]

For all UKIPs failings,their inexperiance,the own goals and nievety I would take them before the scum of liebour the backstabing of the CONservative party and the alien thoughs of the libdims or whatever they are called now.
UKIP have what the others dont.ie a clear and constructive manifesto for election.No half promises ,maybe this or maybe not gobbledegook. With UKIp you will know whats comming,not something you will be able to say about the others (bar BNP if thats your bag)

They also have a talent for infighting that I haven't seen since Nigel Rowntrees parents decided to 'stay together for the sake of the kids' when we were ten

[British]

Where exactally are they ahead ?

Did the BNP not beat UKIP in the Euros? Maybe my wireless wasn't tuned in right?!

[Streetwalker]

They also have a talent for infighting that I haven't seen since Nigel Rowntrees parents decided to 'stay together for the sake of the kids' when we were ten

Well they are a very young party and the players are still jostling for position. I just wish they would sort themselves out

[Streetwalker]

Did the BNP not beat UKIP in the Euros? Maybe my wireless wasn't tuned in right?!

Are you aving a bubble

UKIP 2,498,226 votes 16.5 % of the vote
BNP 943,598 votes 6.2 % of the vote

Must have been a wonkey radio station British

[British]

Are you aving a bubble

UKIP 2,498,226 votes 16.5 % of the vote
BNP 943,598 votes 6.2 % of the vote

Must have been a wonkey radio station British

Maybe. Blood landrover radios. Not nearly as good as Goodmans!
I'll be sticking with BNP, myself.

[SussexWithLove]

Are you aving a bubble

UKIP 2,498,226 votes 16.5 % of the vote
BNP 943,598 votes 6.2 % of the vote

Must have been a wonkey radio station British

My prediction for the next general election...

Cons 35%
UKIP 20%
Labour 15%
LD 15%
BNP 10%
Others 5%

[LA]

My prediction for the next general election...

Cons 35%
UKIP 20%
Labour 15%
LD 15%
BNP 10%
Others 5%

Con: 44%
Lab: 27%
Lib: 18%
UKIP: 6%
BNP: 2%
other: 3%

[Streetwalker]

Cons 40 %
Lab 16 %
Ukip 16%
LIB 15%
Bnp 8%
others 5%

[British]

Con: 44%
Lab: 27%
Lib: 18%
UKIP: 6%
BNP: 2%
other: 3%

I'm thinking Sussex is more 'bang on' with Laughbour. Everyday on my wonky wireless Brown seems to be making more of a fool of himself. Next thing he'll be wearing a court jesters hat!

[LA]

I'm thinking Sussex is more 'bang on' with Laughbour. Everyday on my wonky wireless Brown seems to be making more of a fool of himself. Next thing he'll be wearing a court jesters hat!

According to recent polling data, I am more on the mark

[Greg Lance-Watkins]

Did the BNP not beat UKIP in the Euros? Maybe my wireless wasn't tuned in right?!

Hi,

EUkip was heading for 2>4 MEPs according to the informed commentators and inside warnings were they expected to lose at least 6 seats.

When the time came there was a great deal of effort from Farage, Croucher and their claque to raise the profile of TheBNP, which they achieved - that resulted in Nick Griffin & Andrew Brons being elected for TheBNP.

Meanwhile The Telegraph had latched onto The MPs ALLOWances and distorted the picture to imply it was individual MPs fiddling their expenses - in fact rubbish save for a small handful yet to be identified.

Despite the distortion and total failure of the meeeeja to clarify the position, or possibly because of, EUkip found itself in the enviable position of being the dustbin vote for protest - that MPs ALLEGED fiddles are a mere pittance in comparison to those made so clear by Tom WiseEUkip MEP and the admission that Farage from his own mouth had made around £2Million extra speaks volumes!

The result was EUkip had returned 13 MEPs.

Whichever way you cut it they thankfully outstripped TheBNP and their vile overt and covert racism and anti Judaism particularly in the foundations and roots - which they refuse to renounce.

Even without the negative and misleading campaigning of The Telegraph regarding MPs ALLOWances and the inept handling by those MPs EUkip would probably have had 5 MEPs but would still have tried to raise their own profile by deliberately raising the profile of TheBNP thus even then they would have outstripped TheBNP 5 to 2.

Regards,
Greg L-W.

[Barry]

Barry, you have mentioned that if there were no UKIP you would probably vote BNP.

British, I must have been drunk if I said that.
Please tell me where I mentioned this, as I need to edit it out.
If you can't find it, perhaps you would be so kind as to apologise.

[Streetwalker]

I'm thinking Sussex is more 'bang on' with Laughbour. Everyday on my wonky wireless Brown seems to be making more of a fool of himself. Next thing he'll be wearing a court jesters hat!

I think he's past that British,Its not funny anymore,A striaghtjacket and handcuffs springs to mind

[Streetwalker]

Hi,

and the admission that Farage from his own mouth had made around £2Million extra speaks volumes!



Regards,
Greg L-W.

You realy are a bit of a **** Greg. Everyone knows that Farage said his time as an MEP had cost the Taxpayer £2M.Not that it was what he had made. This was his given allowances,as an Mep and as the leader of UKIP for his offices in Brussels and in the UK ,staff and travel .He made the declaration to highlight the cost of the EU to British taxpayers,

You realy do need to change the record

[SussexWithLove]

According to recent polling data, I am more on the mark

hi la, where do you get your data from?

[Major Sinic]

Hi,

silly me I thought this was a thread all about EUkip!
From your comment on Nigel Farage perhaps you would care to outline what he has been involved in since you would seem to know.

Whilst still on the subject of the thread EUkip do you happen to know much about The Jerusalem Summit and British Zionism and Christian Zionism?

We must get around to William Hagues relationship with Leon Britten and why Margaret Thatcher moved him out of The cabinet to be a Commissioner some time.

Then perhaps we could discuss the involvement of Francis Fraude as a member of The Tri.Lats. and his role in management of Vapid Cameron, perhaps we could consider just how friendly Alan Duncan is with his particular interests in Arabs perhaps William can assist there as they did share a flat.

When we have dealt with that we can ponder Tony Blair's activities of 1983 as Charles Lynton, the artist Ewan ...., Lord Levy's relationship as enumerated in chapter 6 of The Rise of New Labour, Jack Straw's involvement in the cover-up of his brother's sexual abuse of his 14 year old son etc. etc., then perhaps we could consider where Cherrie Booth was when Ewan got drunk on a work experience with Spielberg and with whom.

However humour me - lets TRY to stick to EUkip on this thread

Regards,
Greg L-W.

I do hope you carry your monumental ego close to your arse. Any higher and you might over balance, rather like Humpty Dumpty.

[Greg Lance-Watkins]

You realy are a bit of a **** Greg. Everyone knows that Farage said his time as an MEP had cost the Taxpayer £2M.Not that it was what he had made. This was his given allowances,as an Mep and as the leader of UKIP for his offices in Brussels and in the UK ,staff and travel .He made the declaration to highlight the cost of the EU to British taxpayers,

You realy do need to change the record

Hi,

Indeed I know precisely what he said - and you may also be sufficiently up to speed to be aware that he had used it for EUkip!!! You are also probably sufficiently informed to know that the implication you make of his statement is NOT in line with his claim or the facts.

You advocate I cease to tell the truth - perhaps you could advise how much truth you consider acceptable and at what stage one should collude in criminality or possible criminality by permitting cover-ups and turning a blind eye - what is the statute of limitations in your opinion?

When our Courts have made it very clear that a fraud and the embezzling of money by a politician to the actual tune of some £30,000 is demanding of a 2 year prison sentence and a costs payment of £30,000 you might care to consider whether it is right to seek probity and clarity from our elected representatives.

Perhaps you would care to show where in the accounts £2,000,000 income showed. Perhaps you can show where it was donated as The Electoral Commission are unaware!

Perhaps you would care to note that on National TV he stated when asked how he had spent it and why he had not accounted it that he hadn't bothered and anyway he hadn't got the paper work!!

When astonished the interviewer pushed the point Farage said - well I guess I would hav to if the EU demanded it.

So it was it seems merely trousered 'tax free' or so it would seem - just as it would seem upto £1Million from the income of Ashford 'EUkip's most profitable ever fund raiser' (I quote) interestingly the chairman of EUkip has confirmed that less than 15% of the income ever reached the party funds!

Need we continue - I believe the point is made.

Do not forget it was Nigel Farage whose dishonesty, irresponsibility and childish stupidity accrued a Guilty Verdict in Court and a £3/4Million debt achieved by pure arrogance & hubris from a simple to correct error - known about over almost the entire period of the 67 Offences under law!

Regards,
Greg L-W.

[Greg Lance-Watkins]

I do hope you carry your monumental ego close to your arse. Any higher and you might over balance, rather like Humpty Dumpty.

Hi,

ever the Sinic I guess - have fun on your high horse

Regards,
Greg L-W.

[Streetwalker]

Perhaps you would care to show where in the accounts £2,000,000 income showed. Perhaps you can show where it was donated as The Electoral Commission are unaware!



Greg L-W.

Why would the Electoral commission be interested in an MEP's Allowance.?The Tory press tried to make a big deal about his comment at the time and failed ,you abviously have a cross to bare with UKIP I hope for your sake it dosn't become too heavy

[Greg Lance-Watkins]

Why would the Electoral commission be interested in an MEP's Allowance.?The Tory press tried to make a big deal about his comment at the time and failed ,you abviously have a cross to bare with UKIP I hope for your sake it dosn't become too heavy

Hi,

Farage claimed it had been spent on EUkip - EUkip is obliged by law to show donations in El.Com. returns just like any other party.

Go check out EXACTLY what Farage said and to whom and under what circumstances!

Tory Press? I would contend that is yester years language - the meeeja especially the MSM & Deadwood Meeja are struggling for survival.

Re: X - yep - when I am betrayed I NEVER let go. When it is my Country betrayed I am just a tad more adamant.

Labour did not betray me - I expected them to screw me, the Country and Liberty whilst emptying the bank account - They did!

Tories - I knew they were venal and despite patches of enlightenment could not be trusted.

EUkip promised & I helped get them there - in my own small way.

We have ONE in prison so far! More to come, most probably as an outcome of investigations by OLAF into 5 that I know of. Still more to come.

Regards,
Greg L-W.

PS for clarity these weren't ALLOWances these were expenses claimed as with £700 on airline ticket when it cost £40 - check with Farage he will confirm this for you.

Do not confuse expenses with ALLOWances as with MPs.