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    EUkip - AN UPDATE FOR THE LOCKED STICKY!

    Hi,

    the following statement which I have addressed in sections is locked as a STICKY in this part of the forum but since it is way out of date (a year old!) and wrong on many points I think you will agree it is worthy of critique.

    If my case is made it should then be removed from STICKY as it clearly has no relevance.

    The UK Independence Party is committed to withdrawing Britain from the European Union.
    This was not and is not strictly true. Since 2004 when the batch of 12 MEPs were elected to the EU pretend Parliament on a Google Page Ranking basis (thus of course none of them can lay claim to having been personally elected!), they sat with a group called the EDD Group (Europe of Democracies and Diversities details can be found if you CLICK HERE) they were often called the Ind/Dem Group more in line with their registrationas a proto Pan EU Political Party.

    This group, of which EUkip was as I recal the largest member and Farage became Chairman of WAS NOT in favour of leaving the EU - it wished to REFORM the EU - a task which is clearly utterly disingenuous in its complete impossibility for all the drivel we hear from Politicians in Britain!

    EUkip was therefore working NOT to withdraw but to reform, whatever they may have claimed.

    As the debate on the Lisbon Treaty has now made clear, the EU agenda is complete political union with all the main functions of national government taken over by the bureaucratic institutions of Brussels.
    This can hardly be a surprise for anyone with an 'apeth of brain.

    On Coronation Day in 1953 the front page of The Times had 3 main stories - obviously the story of the Coronation to take place that day, also the delayed news that Tenzing Norgay and Edmund Hillary had reached the summit of Chomolungma in the Himalayas (a name aptly meaning to high for the birds to fly over) Anglicised and named after a surveyor Sir Henry Everest who first mapped the area.

    The third story was about the developement of the new detante in EUrope and how the aim was to create ever closer political union.

    The ECA of 1972 made it abundantly clear that the aim of the scam was Political Union for its members. This was clear from the early documentation of Altieri Spinnelli and Jean Monnet. As with the speech of WS Churchill at Zurich though he NEVER envisioned Britain as being daft enough to become embroilled stating:

    if the choice is to join with the Continent of Europe or take to the deep blue ocean - then better we take to the ocean'.
    The content of The Lisbon Treaty - more honestly called The Constitution come as no surprise to anyone who has been awake as it has taken 8 years of chicanery, dischonesty, corruption, lies, blackmail and bullying for the EU to force it on a largely opposed public!

    UKIP believes that this is not only bad for Britain's economy and prosperity, but it is an alien system of government that will ultimately prove to be totally unacceptable to the British people.
    Well aren't they clever! Pity they failed to produce a consistent stream of publications, never held ANY meaningful training and failed to address the matter having largely gone native!

    UKIP would replace Britain's membership of the European Union with the kind of agreements on free trade and co-operation that we thought we had signed up to when we first joined what was then called the European Economic Community..
    EUkip in 16 years has utterly failed to produce so much as a single sensible and constructive explanation as to the benefits of leaving nor has it EVER even tried to produce an exit and survival strategy.

    They do not have a single solitary policy on anything which is professionally put together and accurately costed and they do not even have an organisational flow chart NOR do they cave a competent communication structure.

    The UK Independence Party is the fourth largest political party in the UK.
    Out of about 32,000 elected offices in Britain I understand they have ABOUT 24 people actually elected!

    If that makes them 4th. then realisticly there are less than 4 parties of note - that said they do by good fortune (the so called Westminster expenses scandal) have 13 MEPs.

    With regard to the EU they are the SECOND largest Party from Britain but they haven't a clue what to do with it!

    We currently have nine members of the European Parliament
    When the article was written Tom Wise was still a member of the party, which he remained until his membership lapsed in March 2009.

    who use their positions exclusively to expose the true nature of the EU and to campaign for British withdrawal.
    This is clearly untrue as Derek Clark MEP on the instructions of Nigel Farage MEP and leader signed an agreement that EUkip would be subject to GREATER subsidiarity to The EU and that EUkip would assist in all main committees to assist The EU excercise tighter controls over its vassal Countries!

    In this new session there is no effective change as EUkip has thrown in its lot with the sweepings of EU Politics as an extremist, racist, xenophobic, sexually intollerant, anti Jewish advocates of violence!!! They have called this Pan EU Political Party (group) The EFD. Farage is co-chairman of this group which is pro EU and advocates change only.

    Our party has a full range of policies including a firm line on immigration.
    It hasn't a single policy that is professionally drawn up, most need spelling and grammar checks, sourcing of material, cross referrencing and above all costing before they can even pretend to being policies! Yes of the 17 areas (as I recal) that Bannerman promised to produce policies for he had as I recal seven rather simplistic pamphlets before the EU elections and one or two more simplistic pamphlets have emerged.

    EUkip has utterly failed in its duty to acquaint even its own members of the irrelevance of policies - I'm not even sure their leadership understand it and they are stuck in the era of the idiocy of David Lott and his mantras - clearly displaying his passion but also his stupidity!

    EUkip sadly would seem to be completely without anyone with a political nose nor an understanding of strategy and tactics - it is purely reactive and viciously unpleasant to anyone trying to actively promote the party and political thought.

    A policy of non-discrimination is enshrined in our constitution.
    Unless of course you happen to be a Muslim!!!!!!!!!!!

    Them and us is very much a factor from the very top QUOTE:
    "They are outbreeding us at a rate 10 times as fast"

    There is not one shred of evidence to uphold this statement and to date there are 2.4M Muslims in Britain, out of a population of about 65M

    I hope this lays to rest some of the myths so that Malcolm Pearson now that he is 'ostensibly' the leader can start to clean up the party, introduce some decent training and encourage supporters and activists who want to lead and contribute to sound strategic planning.

    Regards,
    Greg L-W.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Lance-Watkins View Post
    Hi,

    the following statement which I have addressed in sections is locked as a STICKY in this part of the forum but since it is way out of date (a year old!) and wrong on many points I think you will agree it is worthy of critique.

    If my case is made it should then be removed from STICKY as it clearly has no relevance.



    This was not and is not strictly true. Since 2004 when the batch of 12 MEPs were elected to the EU pretend Parliament on a Google Page Ranking basis (thus of course none of them can lay claim to having been personally elected!), they sat with a group called the EDD Group (Europe of Democracies and Diversities details can be found if you CLICK HERE) they were often called the Ind/Dem Group more in line with their registrationas a proto Pan EU Political Party.

    This group, of which EUkip was as I recal the largest member and Farage became Chairman of WAS NOT in favour of leaving the EU - it wished to REFORM the EU - a task which is clearly utterly disingenuous in its complete impossibility for all the drivel we hear from Politicians in Britain!

    EUkip was therefore working NOT to withdraw but to reform, whatever they may have claimed.



    This can hardly be a surprise for anyone with an 'apeth of brain.

    On Coronation Day in 1953 the front page of The Times had 3 main stories - obviously the story of the Coronation to take place that day, also the delayed news that Tenzing Norgay and Edmund Hillary had reached the summit of Chomolungma in the Himalayas (a name aptly meaning to high for the birds to fly over) Anglicised and named after a surveyor Sir Henry Everest who first mapped the area.

    The third story was about the developement of the new detante in EUrope and how the aim was to create ever closer political union.

    The ECA of 1972 made it abundantly clear that the aim of the scam was Political Union for its members. This was clear from the early documentation of Altieri Spinnelli and Jean Monnet. As with the speech of WS Churchill at Zurich though he NEVER envisioned Britain as being daft enough to become embroilled stating:



    The content of The Lisbon Treaty - more honestly called The Constitution come as no surprise to anyone who has been awake as it has taken 8 years of chicanery, dischonesty, corruption, lies, blackmail and bullying for the EU to force it on a largely opposed public!



    Well aren't they clever! Pity they failed to produce a consistent stream of publications, never held ANY meaningful training and failed to address the matter having largely gone native!



    EUkip in 16 years has utterly failed to produce so much as a single sensible and constructive explanation as to the benefits of leaving nor has it EVER even tried to produce an exit and survival strategy.

    They do not have a single solitary policy on anything which is professionally put together and accurately costed and they do not even have an organisational flow chart NOR do they cave a competent communication structure.



    Out of about 32,000 elected offices in Britain I understand they have ABOUT 24 people actually elected!

    If that makes them 4th. then realisticly there are less than 4 parties of note - that said they do by good fortune (the so called Westminster expenses scandal) have 13 MEPs.

    With regard to the EU they are the SECOND largest Party from Britain but they haven't a clue what to do with it!



    When the article was written Tom Wise was still a member of the party, which he remained until his membership lapsed in March 2009.



    This is clearly untrue as Derek Clark MEP on the instructions of Nigel Farage MEP and leader signed an agreement that EUkip would be subject to GREATER subsidiarity to The EU and that EUkip would assist in all main committees to assist The EU excercise tighter controls over its vassal Countries!

    In this new session there is no effective change as EUkip has thrown in its lot with the sweepings of EU Politics as an extremist, racist, xenophobic, sexually intollerant, anti Jewish advocates of violence!!! They have called this Pan EU Political Party (group) The EFD. Farage is co-chairman of this group which is pro EU and advocates change only.



    It hasn't a single policy that is professionally drawn up, most need spelling and grammar checks, sourcing of material, cross referrencing and above all costing before they can even pretend to being policies! Yes of the 17 areas (as I recal) that Bannerman promised to produce policies for he had as I recal seven rather simplistic pamphlets before the EU elections and one or two more simplistic pamphlets have emerged.

    EUkip has utterly failed in its duty to acquaint even its own members of the irrelevance of policies - I'm not even sure their leadership understand it and they are stuck in the era of the idiocy of David Lott and his mantras - clearly displaying his passion but also his stupidity!

    EUkip sadly would seem to be completely without anyone with a political nose nor an understanding of strategy and tactics - it is purely reactive and viciously unpleasant to anyone trying to actively promote the party and political thought.



    Unless of course you happen to be a Muslim!!!!!!!!!!!

    Them and us is very much a factor from the very top QUOTE:
    "They are outbreeding us at a rate 10 times as fast"

    There is not one shred of evidence to uphold this statement and to date there are 2.4M Muslims in Britain, out of a population of about 65M

    I hope this lays to rest some of the myths so that Malcolm Pearson now that he is 'ostensibly' the leader can start to clean up the party, introduce some decent training and encourage supporters and activists who want to lead and contribute to sound strategic planning.

    Regards,
    Greg L-W.
    Very interesting, Greg. However, who do you think the British people should put their trust in? With respect, you are always going on about the short comings of UKIP, or the dishonesty within it, but don"t really offer an a workable alternative. UKIP, do have members that seem to lack integrity, but doesn"t every party. Labour, conservatives and the Lib Dems, all have had problems that you highlight with UKIP. The difference with UKIP is that do offer a way out for Britain. I have seen the three main parties policies, they all look alike to me - and many people have said this to me: Soft on law and order, all seem to want mass immigration, which, is a disaster for Britain, all want to keep our troops in Afghanistan and are commited to keeping us under the "jack boot" of europe; and a £60 billion bill, thrown in. All these are vote losers for most Britains - people that live in the cities, are confronted with these problems everyday.

    UKIP, on the other hand, offer a tough approach to law and order, a five year immigration freeze, proper discipline in our schools, withdraw from the EU - giving us our freedom back, to make our own laws, such as capital punishment, if we wish it - at the moment we can"t , police doing the job they are supposed to be doing, instead of forever hounding motorists, or going on gender awarenes courses and addressing the problem of extreme Islam. True, as you said in a previous post, they helped us win world war 2; what you didn"t mention is 50,000 Muslims fought for the Axis powers - I remember an old German Newsreel of a group of Muslim Waffen SS troops being inspected by Himmler, no less. Islam has fought western civilsation for around a 1,000 years on and off, so any British goverment is right to view them with caution - and the ones that pose a threat SEND HOME.

    So, Greg. Can you offer an alternative? The only alternative at the moment in most peoples eyes is the BNP. I have spoken to people about Mr Griffin"s Question Time apperance, and like myself they thought he gave a good account of himself; afterall, 4,000 extra votes, not a bad nights work for the BNP. If UKIP go, the people will turn to the BNP, because again, they offer to do the things most people in Britain want, whether a reported 97% of the population regard them as facsist or not.

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    Your 24 Questions 3 Octopae!

    Hi,

    24 Questions!!!

    That is 3 Octopus’s worth!

    Do I get a consultancy fee?

    01
    Quote Originally Posted by octopus View Post
    Very interesting, Greg. However, who do you think the British people should put their trust in?
    Themselves and strengthening their domestic democracy and USING IT.

    02
    Quote Originally Posted by octopus View Post
    With respect, you are always going on about the short comings of UKIP, or the dishonesty within it, but don’t really offer an a workable alternative.
    One step at a time – EUkip is still JUST worth the effort of TRYING to clean it up – which largely requires removal of the endemic corruption that is its leadership.

    There is a plan B!

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    Quote Originally Posted by octopus View Post
    UKIP, do have members that seem to lack integrity, but doesn"t every party. Labour, conservatives and the Lib Dems, all have had problems that you highlight with UKIP.
    It is NOT so much the members but almost all of the main ‘top 40’ who EUkip would be better off without.

    That the Lib.Lab.Con have the same problem is of no consequence on 2 main counts – 01/ is that EUkip built their entire platform on being different (I don’t think anyone thought that meant having their MPs in Court & Prison and EVERY member of the leadership colluding in the crime and perpetuating criminality or their idiot of a leader telling so many lies and EARNING a Guilty verdict in Court and a £3/4MILLION debt!) 02/ I supported them and they directly betrayed ME.

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    Quote Originally Posted by octopus View Post
    The difference with UKIP is that do offer a way out for Britain.
    NOT TRUE – they claim to offer a way but they are utterly without integrity or vision let alone Political strategy or tactics.

    05
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    I have seen the three main parties policies, they all look alike to me - and many people have said this to me: Soft on law and order, all seem to want mass immigration, which, is a disaster for Britain,
    Their policies are utterly irrelevant as our laws are ALL by treaty bound to be compliant with the EU ‘Article II Section II ECA 1972) & 80% of our laws are imposed by The EU.

    From the day we leave the EU it will take at least 5 years before ANY British Government can implement the most simple of new policy.

    Their Policies are utterly irrelevant and thus a con.

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    all want to keep our troops in Afghanistan and are commited to keeping us under the "jack boot" of europe; and a £60 billion bill, thrown in.
    & EUkip will make absolutely no change as they currently are.

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    All these are vote losers for most Britains - people that live in the cities, are confronted with these problems everyday.
    How do the cities differ from the rural!!!

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    UKIP, on the other hand, offer a tough approach to law and order,
    Hot Air – ANYONE can make such wishes/promises.

    I promise to give YOU personally £1Million – will you now vote for me?
    Of course not as you know I will not be prime minister.

    Thus EUkip’s policies are as irrelevant as the Greens, ED, Lib.Dims. etc. are utterly irrelevant as they will NOT be the Government!

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    a five year immigration freeze,
    More Hot Air

    10
    Quote Originally Posted by octopus View Post
    proper discipline in our schools,
    More Hot Air

    11
    Quote Originally Posted by octopus View Post
    withdraw from the EU - giving us our freedom back, to make our own laws, such as capital punishment, if we wish it -
    More Hot Air

    12
    Quote Originally Posted by octopus View Post
    at the moment we can"t ,
    How VERY true.

    13
    Quote Originally Posted by octopus View Post
    police doing the job they are supposed to be doing, instead of forever hounding motorists, or going on gender awarenes courses
    More Hot Air


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    and addressing the problem of extreme Islam.
    More Hot Air (and they haven’t a clue what to do – already they are trying to deal with the situation 101% the wrong way – almost as crass as the Government!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by octopus View Post
    True, as you said in a previous post, they helped us win world war 2; what you didn"t mention is 50,000 Muslims fought for the Axis powers -
    In % terms the Axis had few relative to Britain and almost all Turkish and I do wonder if it was in FACT the claimed numbers.

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    I remember an old German Newsreel of a group of Muslim Waffen SS troops being inspected by Himmler, no less.
    I also have photos of the British Waffen SS – we only need to consider The Mitford Sisters and Oswold Mosely! Edward Heath’s interest prior to the War attending The Nurenburgh Rally with a ‘chum’. The idiotic Duke of Windsor etc. etc.

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    Islam has fought western civilsation for around a 1,000 years on and off,
    So have the French if you see Britain as Civilisation and Islam has not attacked Britain!

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    so any British goverment is right to view them with caution - and the ones that pose a threat SEND HOME.
    The French? Believe me I do!

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    So, Greg. Can you offer an alternative?
    YES

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    Quote Originally Posted by octopus View Post
    The only alternative at the moment in most peoples eyes is the BNP.
    That is not an alternative to anyone who values the values of Britain.

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    I have spoken to people about Mr Griffin"s Question Time apperance, and like myself they thought he gave a good account of himself;
    He was far from good but achieved a huge sympathy vote as a result of the utterly amateur behaviour of The BBC, the ineptitude of the smug Dimbleby and the clearly incompetent Jack Straw the bullying audience added to the points gained by The BNP – the performance by NG was inept by his standard on other occasions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by octopus View Post
    afterall, 4,000 extra votes, not a bad nights work for the BNP.
    A CLAIMED growth of 4,000 members which I greatly doubt and conversion to votes is still an unknown value.

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    If UKIP go, the people will turn to the BNP, because again, they offer to do the things most people in Britain want,
    Association with the white supremacist movement of America and a refusal to denounce ritual murder for entertainment based on skin colour. A refusal to denounce anti Judaism. I do hope you are wrong as I would be ashamed of Britain were that the case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by octopus View Post
    whether a reported 97% of the population regard them as facsist or not.
    So you believe across the Country they will garner more than that 3% let us say 5%.

    I hope this HELPS but appreciate the answers are brief.

    May I suggest not more than 2 questions at any one time in a thread. Then I can try to do the perfectly legitimate enquiry justice.

    Regards,
    Greg L-W.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Lance-Watkins View Post
    Hi,

    24 Questions!!!

    That is 3 Octopus’s worth!

    Do I get a consultancy fee?

    01

    Themselves and strengthening their domestic democracy and USING IT.

    02

    One step at a time – EUkip is still JUST worth the effort of TRYING to clean it up – which largely requires removal of the endemic corruption that is its leadership.

    There is a plan B!

    03

    It is NOT so much the members but almost all of the main ‘top 40’ who EUkip would be better off without.

    That the Lib.Lab.Con have the same problem is of no consequence on 2 main counts – 01/ is that EUkip built their entire platform on being different (I don’t think anyone thought that meant having their MPs in Court & Prison and EVERY member of the leadership colluding in the crime and perpetuating criminality or their idiot of a leader telling so many lies and EARNING a Guilty verdict in Court and a £3/4MILLION debt!) 02/ I supported them and they directly betrayed ME.

    04

    NOT TRUE – they claim to offer a way but they are utterly without integrity or vision let alone Political strategy or tactics.

    05

    Their policies are utterly irrelevant as our laws are ALL by treaty bound to be compliant with the EU ‘Article II Section II ECA 1972) & 80% of our laws are imposed by The EU.

    From the day we leave the EU it will take at least 5 years before ANY British Government can implement the most simple of new policy.

    Their Policies are utterly irrelevant and thus a con.

    06

    & EUkip will make absolutely no change as they currently are.

    07

    How do the cities differ from the rural!!!

    08

    Hot Air – ANYONE can make such wishes/promises.

    I promise to give YOU personally £1Million – will you now vote for me?
    Of course not as you know I will not be prime minister.

    Thus EUkip’s policies are as irrelevant as the Greens, ED, Lib.Dims. etc. are utterly irrelevant as they will NOT be the Government!

    09

    More Hot Air

    10

    More Hot Air

    11

    More Hot Air

    12

    How VERY true.

    13

    More Hot Air


    14

    More Hot Air (and they haven’t a clue what to do – already they are trying to deal with the situation 101% the wrong way – almost as crass as the Government!)

    15

    In % terms the Axis had few relative to Britain and almost all Turkish and I do wonder if it was in FACT the claimed numbers.

    16

    I also have photos of the British Waffen SS – we only need to consider The Mitford Sisters and Oswold Mosely! Edward Heath’s interest prior to the War attending The Nurenburgh Rally with a ‘chum’. The idiotic Duke of Windsor etc. etc.

    17

    So have the French if you see Britain as Civilisation and Islam has not attacked Britain!

    18

    The French? Believe me I do!

    19

    YES

    20

    That is not an alternative to anyone who values the values of Britain.

    21

    He was far from good but achieved a huge sympathy vote as a result of the utterly amateur behaviour of The BBC, the ineptitude of the smug Dimbleby and the clearly incompetent Jack Straw the bullying audience added to the points gained by The BNP – the performance by NG was inept by his standard on other occasions.

    22

    A CLAIMED growth of 4,000 members which I greatly doubt and conversion to votes is still an unknown value.

    23

    Association with the white supremacist movement of America and a refusal to denounce ritual murder for entertainment based on skin colour. A refusal to denounce anti Judaism. I do hope you are wrong as I would be ashamed of Britain were that the case.

    24

    So you believe across the Country they will garner more than that 3% let us say 5%.

    I hope this HELPS but appreciate the answers are brief.

    May I suggest not more than 2 questions at any one time in a thread. Then I can try to do the perfectly legitimate enquiry justice.

    Regards,
    Greg L-W.
    Ok, I will keep it brief. The fact that you say what is the difference between rual and city, that says to me you don"t understand what the mood is in Britain. As I say, get into the cities; More crime, racial problems, a much more dicontented people; I find this everyday - and there is much worse cities than Portsmouth. You say UKIP offer only "hot air". Well, you maybe right, but at the moment I can tell in the cities a lot of people are intrested in UKIP"S "hot air", and most people I speak are sick to death of the three main parties "hot air" - which means nothing. UKIP will continue to grow because they say they will give the people what they want, and if they don"t they will turn to the BNP, because the people are sick and tired of being pushed around in their own country.

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    But It IS Hot Air!!

    Quote Originally Posted by octopus View Post
    Ok, I will keep it brief. The fact that you say what is the difference between rual and city, that says to me you don"t understand what the mood is in Britain. As I say, get into the cities; More crime, racial problems, a much more dicontented people; I find this everyday - and there is much worse cities than Portsmouth. You say UKIP offer only "hot air". Well, you maybe right, but at the moment I can tell in the cities a lot of people are intrested in UKIP"S "hot air", and most people I speak are sick to death of the three main parties "hot air" - which means nothing. UKIP will continue to grow because they say they will give the people what they want, and if they don"t they will turn to the BNP, because the people are sick and tired of being pushed around in their own country.
    Hi,

    I speak with people in Cities a great deal, I live in a small town and I have contacts in rural areas and life.

    NO do read what I said.

    They are only offering hot air as they can not deliver and they know it - a dishonest action.

    EUkip will NOT give the people what they want though I can concede that they will be dishonest enough to dishonestly promise what they can't give.

    Regards,
    Greg L-W,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Lance-Watkins View Post
    Hi,

    I speak with people in Cities a great deal, I live in a small town and I have contacts in rural areas and life.

    NO do read what I said.

    They are only offering hot air as they can not deliver and they know it - a dishonest action.

    EUkip will NOT give the people what they want though I can concede that they will be dishonest enough to dishonestly promise what they can't give.

    Regards,
    Greg L-W,
    What sort of people Greg? I speak to many people from young to old, different income groups, but most seem to have one thing in common. That is to say more than a passing interest in UKIP, when I mention UKIP"S plans for Britain. UKIP, as you say, may not deliver, we would have to elect them to find out for sure. Most of the people I speak to are city people, with big city problems, such as race and crime being biggest fears with such people.

    With respect Greg, talking to the chairman of Sainsburys, or the chief executive of a High Street bank who are on a six fiqure salary, living in a lovely house, and lovely lifestyle, new Jag in the drive, is not going to give you very accurate data; they are usually very happy with their lot. If, however, as I was talking to guy who lives on a crime infested council estate in Portsmouth, who is in constant fear of feral yobs, who recently set light to his car, you are likely to get a very discontented person. If a political party say these problems will be tackled, most voters will give that party a chance, as the top 3 are not the slightest bit interested. That party could be UKIP, BNP, or somebody else, but I am telling you Greg, I know a lot of city people through out Britain, and the problems UKIP say they will tackle, are very important to them. Hot air, or not, UKIP WILL GET A LOT OF VOTES FOR WHAT THEY HAVE GOT TO OFFER.

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    & what did you do!

    Quote Originally Posted by octopus View Post
    What sort of people Greg? I speak to many people from young to old, different income groups, but most seem to have one thing in common. That is to say more than a passing interest in UKIP, when I mention UKIP"S plans for Britain. UKIP, as you say, may not deliver, we would have to elect them to find out for sure. Most of the people I speak to are city people, with big city problems, such as race and crime being biggest fears with such people.

    With respect Greg, talking to the chairman of Sainsburys, or the chief executive of a High Street bank who are on a six fiqure salary, living in a lovely house, and lovely lifestyle, new Jag in the drive, is not going to give you very accurate data; they are usually very happy with their lot. If, however, as I was talking to guy who lives on a crime infested council estate in Portsmouth, who is in constant fear of feral yobs, who recently set light to his car, you are likely to get a very discontented person. If a political party say these problems will be tackled, most voters will give that party a chance, as the top 3 are not the slightest bit interested. That party could be UKIP, BNP, or somebody else, but I am telling you Greg, I know a lot of city people through out Britain, and the problems UKIP say they will tackle, are very important to them. Hot air, or not, UKIP WILL GET A LOT OF VOTES FOR WHAT THEY HAVE GOT TO OFFER.
    Hi,

    at the moment they have nothing to offer but ONE member - Farage has much to say!

    Most of the people I speak to have two arms one head and a couple of legs.

    Yes I know senior executives and MEPs, MPs and Millionaires, I spent an hour on the phone today talking to a divorcee in Edinburgh, some time trying to help a single mum with a Downs Syndrome daughter who has been sexually abused, some time talking to a couple in Eastborne whose child has been kidnapped by The SS, a long chat with a research blogger in Bradford, 10 minutes to an MEP in Brussels, a chat with an octogenarian school teacher near exeter, a long chat to a woman I don't know to try to help with her ESN OCD child in Hackney, 2 people in Cardiff one a bank teller and another a reporter, a while on the phone chatting to a Times journalist, spoke to a freelancer from the Herald, gave a story to The Screws. Then after a quick break an ex army NCO who is dieing of prostate cancer at 60, another person rang me to chat about his diagnosis today with Kidney Cancer, then a call to The house of Commons.

    Yesterday I was up working for 38hours. today I've only managed to get 19hrs. in.

    Tomorrow I have to be in Newport for one of my cancer checks - a waiting room full of very ordinary people just like me scared - then chat around a ward and see if I can help any of them as I've lived with it for 11 years - hence I don't sleep well - permanently knackered and usually irritable and short with fools.

    On the way home I'll drop in and see my Mother who is 88 today in a home costing me £850 a week as I slide into debt, after that to a devout Muslim home where the wife is dieing of cancer in her 50s and the family is scared and isolated, surrounded by hatred from pig ignorant whites.

    How real do you want life to be!

    NO The BNP are an excrecence and EUkip are as much use as a soup sandwich.

    I just hope the phone doesn't ring before I can get to bed with someone alone in a sink estate flat on their own who is scared to die of their cancer and needs someone to talk to whose been there - even a stranger!

    Regards,
    Greg L-W.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greg Lance-Watkins View Post
    Hi,

    at the moment they have nothing to offer but ONE member - Farage has much to say!

    Most of the people I speak to have two arms one head and a couple of legs.

    Yes I know senior executives and MEPs, MPs and Millionaires, I spent an hour on the phone today talking to a divorcee in Edinburgh, some time trying to help a single mum with a Downs Syndrome daughter who has been sexually abused, some time talking to a couple in Eastborne whose child has been kidnapped by The SS, a long chat with a research blogger in Bradford, 10 minutes to an MEP in Brussels, a chat with an octogenarian school teacher near exeter, a long chat to a woman I don't know to try to help with her ESN OCD child in Hackney, 2 people in Cardiff one a bank teller and another a reporter, a while on the phone chatting to a Times journalist, spoke to a freelancer from the Herald, gave a story to The Screws. Then after a quick break an ex army NCO who is dieing of prostate cancer at 60, another person rang me to chat about his diagnosis today with Kidney Cancer, then a call to The house of Commons.

    Yesterday I was up working for 38hours. today I've only managed to get 19hrs. in.

    Tomorrow I have to be in Newport for one of my cancer checks - a waiting room full of very ordinary people just like me scared - then chat around a ward and see if I can help any of them as I've lived with it for 11 years - hence I don't sleep well - permanently knackered and usually irritable and short with fools.

    On the way home I'll drop in and see my Mother who is 88 today in a home costing me £850 a week as I slide into debt, after that to a devout Muslim home where the wife is dieing of cancer in her 50s and the family is scared and isolated, surrounded by hatred from pig ignorant whites.

    How real do you want life to be!

    NO The BNP are an excrecence and EUkip are as much use as a soup sandwich.

    I just hope the phone doesn't ring before I can get to bed with someone alone in a sink estate flat on their own who is scared to die of their cancer and needs someone to talk to whose been there - even a stranger!

    Regards,
    Greg L-W.
    Wow! I must admit your work schedule is a very tough one; commendable as well. Like me you do see a very diverse public. However Greg, with the greatest respect, the people I speak to are in some cases from a similar background, and they also have the same two legs, two arms, and a head, and the reason they look to the right wing parties is that they are terrified of the breakdown of law and order, no proper police service, the underfunded NHS - 5,000 people dying unnecessarily in our hospitals, because we have a goverment that puts immigrants first, above our own peoples needs and billions of pounds being poured into third world countries, which is nothing to do with the people of Britain - CHARITY BEGINS AT HOME! NO WONDER WE ARE PAYING £6 BILLION JUST IN INTEREST RATES!

    David Cameron"s Conservatives plan to give almost £15 biilion of our money away to the third World, if they are elected. The NHS have to save £20 billion over the next 2 years - that £14.9 billion would go a long way to cutting the number of unnecessary deaths in our hospitals, if it was invested in the people of Britain, and the NHS. They are also commited to the EU, and another drain of £60 billion a year. The truth is, David Cameron has about as much idea of what makes the voting public as those millionares, MPs and executives you mention - none frankly! I know this by what they have told me when they knock on my door during election campaigns; they would last about 2 minutes in a council estate in a big city; they are so niave it isn"t true.

    I agree, we have mindless yobs who take delight in bullying people because of their colour, but they our yobs - and our courts should deal with them, Muslim, Afro Carribean"s, East europeans are NOT, and we do have a lot of crime committed by these people - SO KICK THEM OUT IF THEY HAVE CONVICTIONS! As I have said before, if the top 3 don"t address problems of this kind - SOMEBODY ELSE WILL! Anyway, good luck with your cancer check tommorow.

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    Tempus fugit!!

    Quote Originally Posted by octopus View Post
    Anyway, good luck with your cancer check tommorow.
    Hi,

    I'll come back on the other when I ca. Thanks for the 'well wish' it has been touch and go for a couple of weeks but fortunately the symptoms responded to medication and I got an all clear for now - so I can breath again!!

    Sorry not to reply to the rest at the moment TIME!!!

    Regards,
    Greg L-W.

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