Should british parties be shut down to suit the eu?

[Greg Lance-Watkins]

Hi,

having watched this video:
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It does look very much as if it is an ajustment to a:
Pan EU Political Party, as the EFD?

& what happened to leaving the EU - is this why EUkip did not campaign against The New Constitution aka Lisbon Treaty?

It does look very much as if Farage, having been an abject failure as a leader for UKIP has used it for his own ends to go forward to fail on a bigger stage - leaving his vehicle in ruins behind him.

EUkip under his defacto leadership for some 8 years and then for the last 3 directly RULED by imperial autocratic command and bribery, bullying and corruption he has presided over a deeply flawed vision, a crass value structure, imbecilic placemen, Guilty verdicts, huge debts, demoralised and fractured residual membership and effective bankrupcy dependent on a couple of elderly men left blinking as the sun rose leaving them holding the Bill - Thankfully duped as they have been Pearson & Stuart Wheeler may be forced to chat with their respective wives about their plans as they may curtail the Designer Account a tad!

It does look very much that way and could that be why Farage positioned Malcolm Wood because he was sufficiently dishonest and greedy not to be able to see past his own ego!

Regards,
Greg L-W.

[Streetwalker]

& what happened to leaving the EU - is this why EUkip did not campaign against The New Constitution aka Lisbon Treaty?


Greg L-W.

Thats strange,I had plenty of litrature from UKIP on the campaign against Lisbon on the run up to the Euro election. It might be why they came second me thinks!

They may have just blanked dissafected past members with an axe to grind

[Greg Lance-Watkins]

Thats strange,I had plenty of litrature from UKIP on the campaign against Lisbon on the run up to the Euro election. It might be why they came second me thinks!

They may have just blanked dissafected past members with an axe to grind

Hi,

I received ALL of that too.

I guess you didn't realise that the Lisbon Constitutional Treaty passed into British Law having passed The House of Commons second reading in January immediately prior to the HoC debates on the subject.

There is absolutely no point it endlessly trying to shoot a rabbit once it has vanished down the hole - an entirely new strategy is required.

EUkip did ABSOLUTELY nothing to slow or hinder the process of The New Constitution becoming law in these United Kingdoms.

For the record I am not an ex-member and I am a very active supporter of UKIP with an almost daily contact for well over a dozen years. I take as much action as I can to oppose Britain's membership of The EU and help others doing so wherever I can with contacts in most parties.

What do you think of EUkip's efforts to help the EU move towards Pan EU Political Parties?

What is your opinion of their association in the EFD with a pro EU putative Party and collusion with extreme racist, xenophobic, anti jewis, sexually intollerant politicians who preach hatred and advocate violence?

Do YOU believe that Derek Clark's signature on Farage's instruction, advocating Britain's GREATER subsidiarity to rule by The EU was other than a dishonest betrayal?

Regards,
Greg L-W.

[Streetwalker]

Yes of course ,the timing of the Commons treasonable act left UKIP with knowhere to go.The deed had been done.The mistakes of the past are well documented ,the fiasco of "we only did it for more funding" with regard to the pan eu group was a mistake,which I believe they put their hands up to

The EDF association is one Im not too happy about,though what would you surgest? UKIP need allies, they are not strong enough to make much noise on their own.though in that company they may as well have jioned up with the BNP.

I must admit I am a little confused as to what direction UKIP are heading.The change of leadership gives them an oppurtunity to wipe the slate clean and move forward.Though they must learn from them ,looking back at past mistakes is no help to anyone.

[Greg Lance-Watkins]

Yes of course ,the timing of the Commons treasonable act left UKIP with knowhere to go.

The timing was scheduled - there was a mass of time for EUkip to prepare but they were much too busy navel gazing, having fun in the bars and bordellos of Brussels and Strasburgh and catagorically stated that they were doing nothing and leaving it to The Tories to oppose - which they spectacularly failed to do as the SuposiTories are overwhellmingly pro membership of the EU and like EUkip are members of a pan EU Political Party/group that is pro membership!!

The deed had been done.The mistakes of the past are well documented ,the fiasco of "we only did it for more funding" with regard to the pan eu group was a mistake,which I believe they put their hands up to

Then why are they still associating themselves with the scum of EU politics, racists, xenophobes, sexually intollerant, anti Jewish who actively advocate violence and extremism?

The EDF association is one Im not too happy about,though what would you surgest?

I presume you mean EFD - I suggest LEAVE and refuse to assist The EU in its creation of Pan EU Political Parties through groups.

UKIP need allies,

NO -= they need principles, leadership, training, publicity of gravitas, what they need most is transparency, morality and some responsible hard WORK not clocking in for expenses and pushing off to the pub - it needs forensic accounting of the money that seems to have been squandered or trousered and it needs cleaning up to make it electable - it needs alies in the gutter like it needs fools like its present MEPs!!

they are not strong enough to make much noise on their own.

Rubbish a man of integrity and stature would gain more authority than the raft of barrow boys, play boys and geriatrics they have as MEPs they don't even have, after 16 years, a clear organisational structure, their NEC do not know who the staff are and they have swept every toilet bowl they could find to build a press office!

though in that company they may as well have jioned up with the BNP.

There is neither cause nor excuse for their association with the vile BNP.

I must admit I am a little confused as to what direction UKIP are heading.

so clearly are they after 16 years!!

The change of leadership gives them an oppurtunity to wipe the slate clean and move forward.

Only if Malcolm Pearson has the smarts to lay about him with an axe and get rid of the scheisters, parasites and liars he has amongst the team he has inheritted and the authority to clean up the party.

Though they must learn from them ,looking back at past mistakes is no help to anyone.

You sound like New Labour with the determination not to teach history responsibly.

I fundamentally disagree with this part of your contention.

Regards,
Greg L-W.

[Streetwalker]

For the record I am not an ex-member and I am a very active supporter of UKIP with an almost daily contact for well over a dozen years.


Greg L-W.

Well with supporters like you its no wonder UKIP are (if all you say is to believed) in such a mess.
I'll take your critism of my reply on the chin but your reference to me sounding like New Liebour is fighting talk

[Greg Lance-Watkins]

Well with supporters like you its no wonder UKIP are (if all you say is to believed) in such a mess.
I'll take your critism of my reply on the chin but your reference to me sounding like New Liebour is fighting talk

Hi,

you sounded very like New Labour with your statement regarding not learning from history.

Do clarify if you see it some other way.

Thanks.

Regards the rest clearly I would like to see the party cleaned up, so that it would be more electable. I was at a political meeting this evening. Interestingly EUkip had a meeting in the same hotel and I had a chat with the organiser he said he expected a good turn out as the party was attracting members right across the constituency - unfortunately as EUkip has failed to deliver so also did the meeting, EUkip had 2 people turn up.

This just after proclaiming a new leader and the week following the implementation of the New Constitution!!

If only EUkip had taken more notice of history they would have something to build on.

Regards,
Greg L-W.

Regards,
Greg L-W.

[Streetwalker]

Its funny how you have turned not looking back and moving forward into"Not learning from history"

Maybe I diddnt come across right,I think we both are after the same goals, You can try and get your UKIP in order(They are so close but dont seem to realise it) and I will continue to moan (aka alf garnett)


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[Greg Lance-Watkins]

Its funny how you have turned not looking back and moving forward into"Not learning from history"

Maybe I diddnt come across right,I think we both are after the same goals, You can try and get your UKIP in order(They are so close but dont seem to realise it) and I will continue to moan (aka alf garnett)

www.tfa.net

Hi,

I agree with your statement of a common patriotic aim but clearly, as you state, from different positions.

You may be assured that what I write is based on the truth and accuracy - just as is my blog on EUkip and clearly were it not at the very least EUkip would long ago have, if nothing else, served a 'cease and desist' on me.

The only value of my blog is that you can count on its accuracy.
During which period did you join TFA? were you an early starter during the Grunwig days or later with Norris and also Gerald Hartup. Both were outstanding and dedicated individuals - the loss of Norris whilst relatively young merely reaffirmed my views on excercise (If you need it it could prove dangerous and if you don't need it don't risk it!).

After Norris died playing that fateful tennis game TFA has sadly been adrift and has lost its edge. Christopher Gill was catastrophic as Editor, Chairman as he overty politicised it and his position as a makeweight on EUkip NEC when he was clearly morally unsound led to a disasterous period for TFA and I can not claim that I see Roger Helmer as much better as he wound his neck out in defence of Tom Wise when anyone who knew the facts was aware that he was guilty of collusion to defraud and embezzling - A very unwise move on the part of Roger Helmer.

Regards,
Greg L-W.