New Scottish Party coming your way!!

[peoplesparty]

Hey everyone!

I am looking into starting "The Peoples Party" based in Scotland. I feel its time the little people stood up, so if your Scottish and interested or want to know more please PM me!

Kevin

[LA]

Please post your ideas and policies on this forum.

I wish to confront them and work out how much of English taxpayers money your policies will cost.

[jmbtron]

I don't know what peoplesparty's policies are, but I'm happy to put my ideas out there for you to pick over, Nice to see you're sticking to the Thatcherite ways in worrying how much policies will cost English tax payers, Thatcher never gave a toss about Scotland's tax payers either!

Firstly, before I go into policy ideas, please note the following:

Oil, found in the NORTH SEA, North sea found on SCOTLAND's coast, that's ours.

The Royal Family, Found in England, although originating from Germany/Greece etc. Pointless, un-neccesary, expensive. They're yours.

Now Policy ideas: (a small "taster" of my ideas for the regeneration of Scotland!)

Firstly, I would have a Scottish bill of Human rights drawn up, and immediately withdraw from the European Human rights agreement, the main point of this being that when you are sent to prison, you lose your right to be treated as a civilised member of society, cruelety/torture is un-acceptable but our prisons need to toughen up....it is a punishment afterall.

Defence: Scottish defence regiment, to be governed by Scotland and used only to protect our country and our interests, not to enter illegal wars or to illegaly occupy other countries. Troops available for use by other countries, at a price, but only for defensive purposes against agressors and after carefull vetting of the political situation in each case.

Crime: Death penalty to be made available as an option for our judges where DNA evidence has proven beyond all reasonable doubt the guilt of those accused of serious crimes such as Murder, Rape etc.

Boot camps to be established for young offenders on a 3-strikes system, anyone young offenders convicted of more than 2 criminal acts will be subject to referral to a boot camp for an indefinate period.

Life to mean life, Unlimited length of sentence to be available to high-court judges.

De-comissioned ships to be converted to floating prisons as has been, very sucessfuly, done in New York. This will also provide more room for the long term prisioners and take the strain off the prison system.

Immigration: Closed borders to all unskilled workers, green card scheme to be introduced allowing only skilled workers or those studying for a profession into Scotland.

Employment: The immigration policy above will ensure that only those willing to contribute shall be allowed entry into Scotland and therefor everyone in Scotland who is able to work WILL work, unemployment benefit shall be paid on a scoring system, those un-willing to contribute will not recieve benefits, anyone seeking work will be required to carry out jobs such as street-cleaning etc for a proportion of their time to qualify for benefits.



More to follow as I'm running out of time today!

[Comrade Dirk]

Firstly, is this party for Scottish independence?

Secondly, sadly, you would not get my vote. I oppose fascism.

[peoplesparty]

Hi,
Sorry not really updated this section. As i said its the peoples party, for the people, by the people! I am still looking into getting the party registered, discussion polices with many of people and all opinions/suggestions are welcome. At the end of the day it should be us "the people" who's voice should be heard and no all the MP's who have completely lost touch with reality...

As i said, if your interested in talking further i am happy to try and answer all questions, and always looking for new people who are interested in joining and helping taking it forward. (However as i said we are very small and new party) Its just time the people start running this country and not corrupt politician whop are in it for themselves!



Thanks for taking the time to read my post!


Kevin

[Comrade Dirk]

Well, if it exists for the people, then how about the people of Scotland that have non-Scottish ancestry? My mum's German, for example. So is my Grandmother.

Is there anyone here who does not have a "foreign" friend? I have a Turkish friend, who lives in Scotland. A lot of people in the Central Belt have Irish, French, Italian and Polish friends.

We really need to deal with these racist attitudes. And cheering them on with a party - LIKE THE BNP - is an insult to Scotland's national heritage, which has had strong links with many countries overseas. Especially Ireland and France.

[Midas]

Can I correct you on one point. You say "Oil, found in the NORTH SEA, North sea found on SCOTLAND's coast, that's ours.". Sorry, but it isn't, it belongs to the United Kingdom as a whole, there's no differentiation between the component parts of the UK under the various United Nations Laws and Charters relating to the mining of seabed assets, of which the UK is a signatory.

[Comrade Dirk]

Can I correct you on one point. You say "Oil, found in the NORTH SEA, North sea found on SCOTLAND's coast, that's ours.". Sorry, but it isn't, it belongs to the United Kingdom as a whole, there's no differentiation between the component parts of the UK under the various United Nations Laws and Charters relating to the mining of seabed assets, of which the UK is a signatory.

Yeah, i thought so. A communist friend of mine and i also figured this.

But hell, we've still got whiskey. One of the largest UK exports, don't you know? There's a pretty famous distillery down the road from where i live, too.

[Midas]

But hell, we've still got whiskey. One of the largest UK exports, don't you know? There's a pretty famous distillery down the road from where i live, too.

And lovely stuff it is too, especially some of the good single malts, a liking of which is one of the things that MN and I have in common

[LA]

Scotland also have those caramel chocolates...
Which are lovely.

[peoplesparty]

We are have other things to work with if we didn't have the Oil. However if Scotland becomes independent then the North see should belong to Scotland, as it beside Scotland. However i dont see why Scotland and England cant work together even if Scotland becomes independent.


The people born in Scotland should have more of a say then people who was not born here. I understand some people will disagree with that, that's just my opinion, Scotland should be for Scotland...not Scotland for Polish people, or Scotland for French people or Scotland for Irish people. Scotland should be for the Scots.

[LA]

The Act of Union gave way for Permanent Union. To me, permanent is permanent but there you go...

The Scottish could not survive without English money. If they became independent they would need to get money from somewhere else.

North Sea Oil is running out quickly and cannot sustain Scotland for more than a couple of decades if that.

[peoplesparty]

Yeah i agree the Oil will dry up and there will be a need for something else to cover the money which is made from it!

[LA]

Finally, a Scottish person who recognises the Scottish dependence on England.

[peoplesparty]

I never said that, i said the Oil will dry up. I do believe Scotland will be able to stand on its own two feet away from England. What doesn England really do for Scotland?

[Midas]

Just out of interest, have you run any economic models based on the current split of tax income from individuals and businesses in Scotland and the total UK expenditure on Scotland and Scottish interests to see what kind of shortfall there's likely to be?

[LA]

Just out of interest, have you run any economic models based on the current split of tax income from individuals and businesses in Scotland and the total UK expenditure on Scotland and Scottish interests to see what kind of shortfall there's likely to be?

Midas, I have sent out a request to the Treasury for such information.
I send them an email requesting that information once a week.

I have done it for the last 3 months. No Reply!

[Midas]

Midas, I have sent out a request to the Treasury for such information.
I send them an email requesting that information once a week.

I have done it for the last 3 months. No Reply!

Kind of figures You should hear the moans and complaints on this very topic at some of the Institute of Directors meetings! Every government is bad at revealing supposed public facts and figures (unless they want you to hear them of course), but this government is worse than any other I can recall. I think the only way you'll get the figures is to wait until they're published retrospectively, then spend hours digging out what you want.

[LA]

The problem with Labour is that they passed the Freedom of Information act.
They literally gave the public a promise we can have information, and then they refuse to give it.

Many hypocracies of Labour - I will go bug my MP and PPC about it.
I want the information.

[Comrade Dirk]

We are have other things to work with if we didn't have the Oil. However if Scotland becomes independent then the North see should belong to Scotland, as it beside Scotland. However i dont see why Scotland and England cant work together even if Scotland becomes independent.

Any oil would only be temporary anyway.

The people born in Scotland should have more of a say then people who was not born here. I understand some people will disagree with that, that's just my opinion, Scotland should be for Scotland...not Scotland for Polish people, or Scotland for French people or Scotland for Irish people. Scotland should be for the Scots.

No. Scotland should be for the people who live in Scotland. Just as England should be for people who live in England. Where you're born is of no consequence. My Turkish friend is no less affected by the decisions of the Scottish, or indeed the UK Government, than are you. Therefore, he should have a say in how it's run.

[Bullcats]

How right you are to say MPs have lost all touch with reality. However, we already have a bunch of nutters running Scotland, how are you going to make a difference and do any better?

[Major Sinic]

I never said that, i said the Oil will dry up. I do believe Scotland will be able to stand on its own two feet away from England. What doesn England really do for Scotland?

You mean other than subsidising every man, woman and child living in Scotland to the tune of £1500 each year?

Your old people don't have to pay for residential care, and your students don't have to pay tuition fees thanks to English subsidies!

[DC]

I won't pretend to know anything about this, but don't some 'Scottish' defence groups and regiments swear allegiance specifically to the British crown? (Initially anyway), so wouldn't that cause problems if Scotland was to have its own defence force?

[pauli007001]

You mean other than subsidising every man, woman and child living in Scotland to the tune of £1500 each year?

Your old people don't have to pay for residential care, and your students don't have to pay tuition fees thanks to English subsidies!

Thats a nice bit of BNP propeganda there, the scottish are subsidising the rest of the UK via the taxes they earn on several highly profitable industries, Oil/gas(from the North Sea), the Scotch industry and tourism.Not forgetting the explosion of specialised companies that have sprung up with great sucess in Scotland in the last 10 years, from web design to Internet shopping(marketing Scottish products online);Tartanweb, Scotweb, heritage of Scotland, Viking technologies being a couple that i have made purchases from in the last year or two.

Sponging English, always after the jocks Money, always trying to keep the Jocks down and actually beleiving they are better than the Jocks, talk about biting the hand that feeds you....

[LA]

Thats a nice bit of BNP propeganda there, the scottish are subsidising the rest of the UK via the taxes they earn on several highly profitable industries, Oil/gas(from the North Sea), the Scotch industry and tourism.Not forgetting the explosion of specialised companies that have sprung up with great sucess in Scotland in the last 10 years, from web design to Internet shopping(marketing Scottish products online);Tartanweb, Scotweb, heritage of Scotland, Viking technologies being a couple that i have made purchases from in the last year or two.

Sponging English, always after the jocks Money, always trying to keep the Jocks down and actually beleiving they are better than the Jocks, talk about biting the hand that feeds you....

lol...
That is utter rubbish.

I am starting to agree with Dougie now... how worrying.

English taxes subsidise Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.
As soon as the Treasury responds to me [over 6 weeks now of asking] I can give you the exact amounts.

[Major Sinic]

Thats a nice bit of BNP propeganda there, the scottish are subsidising the rest of the UK via the taxes they earn on several highly profitable industries, Oil/gas(from the North Sea), the Scotch industry and tourism.Not forgetting the explosion of specialised companies that have sprung up with great sucess in Scotland in the last 10 years, from web design to Internet shopping(marketing Scottish products online);Tartanweb, Scotweb, heritage of Scotland, Viking technologies being a couple that i have made purchases from in the last year or two.

Sponging English, always after the jocks Money, always trying to keep the Jocks down and actually beleiving they are better than the Jocks, talk about biting the hand that feeds you....

Once again you display your complete ignorance of the subject.

Latest figures (for 2008) show, that under the Barnett Formula established in 1985, every man, woman and child living in Scotland received £1644.00 more per annum in expenditure than their English counterparts. The amounts were even higher at £2254 for Northern Ireland but lower at £1042 for Wales.

When you have evidence to back up your truly ludicrous claims then you may find you are taken a little more seriously.

[pauli007001]

Once again you display your complete ignorance of the subject.

Latest figures (for 2008) show, that under the Barnett Formula established in 1985, every man, woman and child living in Scotland received £1644.00 more per annum in expenditure than their English counterparts. The amounts were even higher at £2254 for Northern Ireland but lower at £1042 for Wales.

When you have evidence to back up your truly ludicrous claims then you may find you are taken a little more seriously.

Its just a formula invented to create animosity toward the Scottish people, a Tory plan to stamp out the Jock(newsflash, you failed).You dont think the North sea oil/gas make any money?Perhaps that money is taken to london to subsidise the English.It was a Scottish member on this forum who originally told me of this, the Barnett formula is a con as the money from the industries i named is taken from the Scottish people and given to the english.

[Major Sinic]

Its just a formula invented to create animosity toward the Scottish people, a Tory plan to stamp out the Jock(newsflash, you failed).You dont think the North sea oil/gas make any money?Perhaps that money is taken to london to subsidise the English.It was a Scottish member on this forum who originally told me of this, the Barnett formula is a con as the money from the industries i named is taken from the Scottish people and given to the english.

Sure and black is white, night is day and the moon is made of cheese. I asked for some evidence to support your ludicrous statements but needless to say it is not forthcoming, because of course it doesn't exist.

You Pauli are off my radar because you really are not worth the effort to try to communicate with. Go annoy someone else!

[pauli007001]

Sure and black is white, night is day and the moon is made of cheese. I asked for some evidence to support your ludicrous statements but needless to say it is not forthcoming, because of course it doesn't exist.

You Pauli are off my radar because you really are not worth the effort to try to communicate with. Go annoy someone else!

I gave evidence,NORTH SEA OIL and GAS, wake up!!!!It is drilled off the coast of which country???????????????????????????????Go LOOK at a MAP its what clever people use to find out where thing are, Scotch is also made in Scotland, there is the evidence, or am i wrong, perhaps it is made in Timbuktu(which if you look at the MAP you may well notice is NOT off the coast of Scotland, but i suppose you want evidence of that too.
I feel your statements are based in Nazi Ideology and BNP propeganda.I really dont wish to debate with Nazis or BNP thugs and terrorists.

[Major Sinic]

I have found a wonderful feature on this forum. An ignore button. Apparently you can select persistent annoying, ignorant, ill informed, stupid and generally obnoxious posters by name and their posts are automatically suppressed when you log in. They really are off the radar! Excellent!

The Barnett Formula is of course a Government approved economic structure, accepted as an accurate measure of subsidy by the main political parties and the Treasury.

[pauli007001]

I have found a wonderful feature on this forum. An ignore button. Apparently you can select persistent annoying, ignorant, ill informed, stupid and generally obnoxious posters by name and their posts are automatically suppressed when you log in. They really are off the radar! Excellent!

The Barnett Formula is of course a Government approved economic structure, accepted as an accurate measure of subsidy by the main political parties and the Treasury.

IGNORE= Intolerant of those who disagree with you, typical totalitarian, hurling insults and abuse and then running away, COWARD.I dont back down from Nazis, nor do i run away like a snivveling coward.

[LA]

Pauli you didn't provide evidence you just reiterated what you believe to be true.
Which is not true at all -_-

[JacquesMagique]

Pauli you seriously think that the scotch industry, a reasonable tourist industry, and a handful of e-commerce businesses are worht anything near the value of financail services, media, and retail industries concentrated in London, Birmingham and Manchester?

[Opinionated]

Pauli you seriously think that the scotch industry, a reasonable tourist industry, and a handful of e-commerce businesses are worth anything near the value of financail services, media, and retail industries concentrated in London, Birmingham and Manchester?

Maybe I am completely wrong here (and I'm sure Pauli will correct me if so) but you have to read a fair amount of his posts using a sarcastic tone of voice as I think he actually believes the opposite at least to some extent!

[JacquesMagique]

Maybe I am completely wrong here (and I'm sure Pauli will correct me if so) but you have to read a fair amount of his posts using a sarcastic tone of voice as I think he actually believes the opposite at least to some extent!

Oh you might be right actually.

[LA]

Jacques raises an interesting point.

I would be under no doubt in assuming that the collective economic power and taxes collected from London alone is equal or greater than that of Scotland.

The fact is, London (which is in England ) is a financial centre of the world. We have many of the worlds largest banks based and operating in London.

Frankly, any argument which states Scotland is more economically power than London is just a farce in my opinion.

[pauli007001]

Pauli you seriously think that the scotch industry, a reasonable tourist industry, and a handful of e-commerce businesses are worht anything near the value of financail services, media, and retail industries concentrated in London, Birmingham and Manchester?

How about the OIL and GAS, those fields are all in scottish waters are they not?To whom do the profits of the OIL/GAS fields go?To LONDON, Scottish commodities stolen by the English for the benefit of the English.

One thing that has been Ignored by those who believe the barnett formula.

I could explain again how it all works, these formulas and such.

Socialism in order to achieve its goals requires social turmoil.This turmoil can be capitalised upon by the "Party" or the "leader" of the socialist system in place.The anti scottish propeganda spouted by the Barnett formula helps create a social turmiol of envy and hate.Many other laws driven forward by these totalitarians also create social economic and cultural tensions.One day the **** will hit the fan and the socialists will declare martial law etc.It will be the catalyst for a new totalitarian system of government in which all those who turned against eachother as a result of the Govnts interference will be subjected to a form of equality in their suffering.That is what the socialists want, take a close look at what is happening around you, race riots, increased crime, targeted groups for positive intervention, targeted groups for negative, all creating a general feeling of unease, envy and hate.

[JacquesMagique]

MMM oil and gas, very sustainable sectors of growth hmm?

[LA]

No such thing as Scottish waters.
The profits of such ventures go to the private companies that drill the oil.

[JacquesMagique]

No such thing as Scottish waters.
The profits of such ventures go to the private companies that drill the oil.

Oh yeah, I didn't even think of this. The fact it is offshore also means the benefit to the scottish economy would be minimal in terms of transport, employment etc, I imagine a lot of the workers on platforms aren't even natives?

[LA]

Oh yeah, I didn't even think of this. The fact it is offshore also means the benefit to the scottish economy would be minimal in terms of transport, employment etc, I imagine a lot of the workers on platforms aren't even natives?

Probably.
Also consider that North Sea Oil is not British.
It is also shared with other European countries such as Norway [who; if I am not mistaken, actually has a larger share]

[Borderscot]

Your supposition that Scotland will vote for independence if far off the mark. First of all, wee Alick is playing his cards close to his chest because if does not get the timing of is referendum on indepence right, he could end up with much egg on his face. He is far from sure what way the vote will go, but he may betempted to still have a vote just to try and see what way the wind is blowing.

The Unionist parties would like to use such a vote to land a decisive vote against the SNP but again, they are not sure what the outcome would be. Unfortunately, smart Alick is far too smart for the Labour Party in Scotland and the Lib Dems blow hot and cold because they are power hungry having already tasted it with the pact witth the previous adminsitration. The Lib Dems cannot be trusted in Scotland just as they are not trusted in Westminster - because below the surface, they are far from united themselves.

The oil question that is constantly raised to the effect that oil is about to run out is a red herring. Oil is still there in quantity both in the North Sea and in the Atlantic, but stupid Brown and the clown who preceded made searching for it very much less attractive. If we have a change of government, this could change.

[Borderscot]

Pauli you seriously think that the scotch industry, a reasonable tourist industry, and a handful of e-commerce businesses are worht anything near the value of financail services, media, and retail industries concentrated in London, Birmingham and Manchester?

There is no such thing as the "scotch industry". The only thing that is scotch is whisky. I take it you were meaning the Scottish industry?

[JacquesMagique]

There is no such thing as the "scotch industry". The only thing that is scotch is whisky. I take it you were meaning the Scottish industry?

No, I meant the scotch industry as in the scotch whiskey industry, as Pauli said. Pretty sure there is such thing..

[albannach]

No, I meant the scotch industry as in the scotch whiskey industry, as Pauli said. Pretty sure there is such thing..

Scotch is english slang for whiskey.When referring to the whiskey industry , the correct term is scottish.
( a scotsman teaching an english how to speak english???...............)

[JacquesMagique]

Scotch is english slang for whiskey.When referring to the whiskey industry , the correct term is scottish.
( a scotsman teaching an english how to speak english???...............)

I can't really be bothered with semantics. You are still a tax burden regardhless.

[albannach]

I can't really be bothered with semantics. You are still a tax burden regardhless.

ark ark (not for much longer).

[Major Sinic]

ark ark (not for much longer).

I do so hope you are right. It would be nice to think that the billions England will save in Scottish subsidies, might go towards enabling England's students to have no tuition fees, and England's elderly not to have to pay for residential care. These are privileges you enjoy in Scotland at English tax payers expense.

The day I have to order a Scottish whiskey and soda instead of a Scotch and soda, is the day I will switch to Jamiesons.

[albannach]

I do so hope you are right. It would be nice to think that the billions England will save in Scottish subsidies, might go towards enabling England's students to have no tuition fees, and England's elderly not to have to pay for residential care. These are privileges you enjoy in Scotland at English tax payers expense.

The day I have to order a Scottish whiskey and soda instead of a Scotch and soda, is the day I will switch to Jamiesons.

uisge beatha should be drunk straight.obviously not a connoisseur

[Major Sinic]

uisge beatha should be drunk straight.obviously not a connoisseur

Now you as a good Scotsman are never going to tell me that a blended whiskey needs to be drunk straight to be enjoyed! If you were to do so I would consider you pretentious beyond measure.

Now I invariably have a bottle of Bowmores and one of The Balvenie 'Doublewood' in my drinks cupboard which are usually drunk straight or with just a drop of still water, and very definitely no ice. I trust you approve of my treatment of a single malt.

However, sadly you are right, I am not a connoisseur but I shall keep practicing!