Jobs for Who

[gfbak@aol.com]

Jobs are disappearing faster than they can be created. The TV news channels happily inform us that some companies are expanding and creating jobs, but what they dont tell us that the jobs are probably for the Italians, Poles, Bulgarians etc and not for our own British unemployed workforce.
Who or what do we trust these days.

[Midas]

Jobs are disappearing faster than they can be created. The TV news channels happily inform us that some companies are expanding and creating jobs, but what they dont tell us that the jobs are probably for the Italians, Poles, Bulgarians etc and not for our own British unemployed workforce.
Who or what do we trust these days.

I doubt very much that any current job vacancies are for the Italians, Poles, Bulgarians etc! If it happens that those same Italians, Poles, Bulgarians etc., prove to be better in some respect than any British applicants for the same job, of course they'll get employed.

It's hardly the fault of the immigrants themselves is it, all they're doing is seizing the opportunities created for them by EU legislation and the attitude of many British workers. I quite agree that immigration should be completely halted and that British workers should get priority, but our anger at what's happening should be directed at the government for not doing something about it, not at the people caught in the middle.

[agentmancuso]

Surely, jobs for whom?

Bloody immigrants, can't even speak Ingerlish rite.

[LA]

Though I would love to sit here and blame the immigrants, you cannot.
These immigrants come over to this country, take jobs and work.

They are doing what anyone would do... If you had the opportunity, you take it.
They are merely trying to help themselves.

In my opinion, it is better they work than go on benefits.

[gfbak@aol.com]

Agree with what you say BUT our guys aren't even being considered for jobs in most cases (even if they are qualified). Foreign contractors are advertising for staff outside of the UK.

[Albion 69]

Who or what do we trust these days.

Not the government that 's for sure , "3 Million new jobs", "British jobs for British workers".

"Gordon Brown’s boast of having created “three million new jobs” has always had to come with the major unspoken caveat that (according to the Statistics Commission) 81% of these “new jobs” in this working-age population are accounted for by immigration.
In the period Apr-Jun 97 there were 18.1m UK-born people working in the private sector. In Apr-Jun 07, it had actually fallen - to 18.0 million. So strip away immigration and state sector expansion and there are fewer British jobs, not more. The data for the respective period in 2008 is not out yet, but in the current environment it won’t be upwards. The ONS kindly prepared the report for us on request, so I can’t link to it. But I’ve put it as a PDF here ."
The DWP kindly sent me a recent study (another PDF ) they’ve done comparing welfare caseloads right from 1979 (the previous series started only in 1999). It’s important, as so much of data we’re given has a “year zero” policy which doesn’t show how much progress was being made under the Tories. GCSE improvement, for example, has slowed under Labour. I was curious to see what work was made cutting the welfare caseload. The DWP’s data shows a decline from 5.06m in Nov97* to 4.18m in Nov07 – a decline of just 17% for all out-of-work benefits. Pretty dismal progress, when you consider that Brown had what he describes as the longest period of economic expansion for a century. But what puts it into perspective is what was achieved the Lawson boom. Between May87 and May90, the same welfare caseload was cut by 19%. So Thatcher made a bigger dent in welfare dependency in her third term than Labour has managed in all three of its terms put together.
There is a rule with economic booms: it’s not the size that’s important, it’s what you do with it that counts. Lawsons’ was shorter-lived, but he used it to tackle British joblessness and repay net debt (14.5% of GDP when Thatcher left office, on the OECD’s measurement). Brown used his to ramp up debt - now 32.9% of GDP - then binge on foreign labour to avoid painful welfare reform which his government is trying to do only now, in the middle of a downturn. "

Brown's "new jobs" boast is down to immigration | Coffee House

We can't do much in relation to EU workers but most immigrants are not from the EU. Halting/reversing the failed Labour immigration policy will inevitably free up more jobs for the Brits .

[LA]

The New Labour Party has left a bad legacy, that will require several terms of a Conservative Government to reverse and heal.

The failed immigration policy of Labour is a disgrace, as well as the acceptance of EU Open Borders directive.

[SussexWithLove]

Lock up shop and swallow the key!

[agentmancuso]

In my opinion, it is better they work than go on benefits.

Yes, very true. At least they pay tax that way!

[LA]

Yes, very true. At least they pay tax that way!

precisely.

I don't care what they do... I want there bloody money in our system.

[finp1_06]

What many people tend to overlook within these forums is the fact that immigrant workers were predominantly invited into Britain following the Second Workd War, when we were desparately short of labour and needed to re-build both the country and the economy. Immigrant workers were invited, take a look at the British Nationality Act of 1948.

Immigrant labour fills gaps within British industry which British citizens will not/ cannot / are not qualified to fill. Without immigrant workers, the NHS would collapse along with many other institutions (those of you who ride the underground might not get far without fluffers on the lines)

[Marxist Nutter]

What many people tend to overlook within these forums is the fact that immigrant workers were predominantly invited into Britain following the Second Workd War, when we were desparately short of labour and needed to re-build both the country and the economy. Immigrant workers were invited, take a look at the British Nationality Act of 1948.

Immigrant labour fills gaps within British industry which British citizens will not/ cannot / are not qualified to fill. Without immigrant workers, the NHS would collapse along with many other institutions (those of you who ride the underground might not get far without fluffers on the lines)

Indeed although this has long been in decline, although we may be witnessing a resurgence of this.

I found a very good paper on this (have decided to start semi seriously researching the immigration question as somebody has to challenge migration watch which is quickly becoming the God of this forum)

http://www.imi.ox.ac.uk/pdfs/wp1-backtothefuture.pdf

There are no doubts serious issues around immigration, economic, social but also EMOTIONAL. I think there are too many people with certain emotional agendas presenting research as unbiased. Now where they may be criticisms to be made of current immigration policy, we need to think carefully about what all the facts and figures mean.

[finp1_06]

absolutely, one cannot simply say 'right, that's it no one else can enter the UK' because that would prove equally as problematic as many people claim current immigration policy to be.

The situation requires systematic and pragmatic alterations rather than an open door / shut out policy.

[Kiwi 1691]

absolutely, one cannot simply say 'right, that's it no one else can enter the UK' because that would prove equally as problematic as many people claim current immigration policy to be.

The situation requires systematic and pragmatic alterations rather than an open door / shut out policy.

Yes rather than trying to stop immigration, become more picky.

[Midas]

What many people tend to overlook within these forums is the fact that immigrant workers were predominantly invited into Britain following the Second Workd War, when we were desparately short of labour and needed to re-build both the country and the economy. Immigrant workers were invited, take a look at the British Nationality Act of 1948.

Yes, you're quite right, however the operative words in your comment are "when we were desperately short of labour". However that was then and this is now, a very different situation and laws need to be flexible. I don't believe most people have much of an issue with second/third or longer generation immigrants being here; many of the current generation are as British as any of us. it's the new wave of immigrants using EU rules and the softness of the UK government that are creating the problem.

Immigrant labour fills gaps within British industry which British citizens will not/ cannot / are not qualified to fill. Without immigrant workers, the NHS would collapse along with many other institutions (those of you who ride the underground might not get far without fluffers on the lines)

Yes, I agree, however once we stop the incoming flood of people we can then take a longer time to address the issues of needs and priorities within UK industry and commerce. I certainly wouldn't want to see anyone (legally) employed here, immigrant or otherwise, simply kicked out of an existing job because of their status, however once anyone applies for a new job, that's when prioritisation to existing British citizens should be applied.