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This is a discussion on Who will you Vote For? within the United Kingdom Politics & Political Forum forums, part of the United Kingdom Political Forums category; So the EU elections are coming up (4th June), and since I just got my voting card through the post, ...
So the EU elections are coming up (4th June), and since I just got my voting card through the post, who will you be voting for? If I have missed any parties off the list, then please feel free to have a go at me and I will add them
EDIT: I haven't put the NI parties up there. If this is a problem, then I can change the poll.
EDIT: I also haven't decided who to vote for. Will update when I have!
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Chancellor
I've voted for 'other', really meaning "none of the above" on the basis that none of the parties fully represent my views, which are really a mixture of those taken from right across the political spectrum.
If absolutely forced to make a choice, I think my vote would go to UKIP.
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I voted for the Liberal Democrats, through The Greens would proably have been my other choice.
Salus Populi Est Suprema Lex.
The welfare of the people is the ultimate law.
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I voted SNP, as will the largest number of Scots on June 4th.
Scotia me genuit. Gallia me docuit. Comitatus Lanarkiensis me tenet.
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I voted UKIP here because I think its the only one I can vote for to be honest.
I WON'T vote tories, it would just be a step too far for someone like me whose been brought up to hate them. But I wouldn't vote for them now they're making noises about bringing back the barbaric fox hunting anyway.
I WON'T vote nulab because they've betrayed everything I believed they ever stood for; they should be banned from using the name Labour now as they are no longer that party.
I WON'T vote for the BNP because I'm not a racist.
I WON'T vote for the libdems because they fence sit too much.
As for the others I just don't believe they would have any idea what do with the country; or they're more useful to their own devolved areas - like the SNP; I don't really know what they would do on a national level. However I have to admit that if I were living in Wales or Scotland then, yes, I would be voting for those parties. I believe you should support the area you reside in; politically as well as economically.
But to be honest even UKIP is still not an ideal solution; sometimes I despair of our political parties. I don't believe in ANY of them really anymore.
Do you hear that? That's the sound of no one caring - anon
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Here we go again... How about you tell us why you think the BNP are racist?Originally Posted by Trouble43
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I don't need to - just visit their site, that tells you everything you wish to know about how to be a textbook racist.
Or should I just list (yet again) their many members (and leading lights) who have been convicted of racially motivated crimes?
Do you hear that? That's the sound of no one caring - anon
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I would vote UKIP.
I do not believe David Cameron and his Conservative Party are Eurosceptic enough for my liking.
Trouble, it is a shame, England doesn't really have its own nationalist party... (English Democrats?)
I bet if it did it would be branded racist
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can we please not have another thread that is just turned into "the bnp is racist" "no theyre not" "yes they are" "no theyre not" ...
I used to be a UKIP, But no one seems to take them seriously.I would vote UKIP.
I do not believe David Cameron and his Conservative Party are Eurosceptic enough for my liking.
Trouble, it is a shame, England doesn't really have its own nationalist party... (English Democrats?)
I bet if it did it would be branded racist
World goin one way, people another
I'll vote Lib Dems. I don't see where this fence sitting thing comes from? They are clearly left of the other 2 big guys, if anyone lives on the fence its Cameron's New Tories. He has to do that just to keep the peace in his own party.
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I have to agree with you there. My vote will be going to the Lib Dems - other than anything else, they are members of the the European Parliamentary group that represents my views most fully. I advise that people voting in the EU election do some research into these Parliamentary groups which all MEPs belong to, as they serve a rough party function.
As far as I am concerned, it doesn't matter to me what the national Lib Dem party do anyway. As far as I can tell, MEPs are quite free from the party whip, so it is much more important to vote for general policy lines.
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Try these latest gems from Mr Griffin for starters
British National Party (BNP) chairman Nick Griffin has defended a party leaflet which says that black Britons and Asian Britons "do not exist".
The BNP's "Language and Concepts Discipline Manual" says the term used should be "racial foreigners".The BNP manual, leaked to the anti-fascist group Searchlight and seen by the BBC, says that "BNP activists and writers should never refer to 'black Britons' or 'Asian Britons' etc, for the simple reason that such persons do not exist".
Scotia me genuit. Gallia me docuit. Comitatus Lanarkiensis me tenet.
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If I lived in England I'd vote Lib Dem too.
Scotia me genuit. Gallia me docuit. Comitatus Lanarkiensis me tenet.
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Which is really sad; as I think they're probably the best hope we've got these days.
Do you hear that? That's the sound of no one caring - anon
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What are they then, invisible? Honestly - and yet people fall for his speil so often.Oh and of course they're not a racist party, are they? I think if they're not racist then there will whole squadrons of
over buck house on polling day.
Do you hear that? That's the sound of no one caring - anon
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this surprises me, i thought you were traditionally a labour voter?Which is really sad; as I think they're probably the best hope we've got these days.
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I was, still am actually. Only trouble is, there is no Labour Party anymore - we're stuck with 'nulab'. All spin and grin, but no substance - a party that has not only turned its back on the poor and working classes it was supposed to support, but ensured they are now firmly under the boot of the wealthy. I mean when they propose stuff to do to the working class that even the tories baulk at, you know its bad.
So, yes, I am traditionally a Labour supporter and voter and the moment we get a proper Labour party back - trust me, my tick will be in their box same as always. But sadly that won't be now.http://www.websmileys.com/sm/sad/494.gif
Do you hear that? That's the sound of no one caring - anon
accidental genius!
"Language and concepts discipline manual", I've actually got a stitch from laughing so hard at that one!
Here it is in it's full glory a manual on how to be a good BNP member and stick to party lines (I do believe that the word propaganda is there - surely some mistake given it's connotations!), it's a modern equivalent of the little red book!http://www.bnp.org.uk/organisers/store/general_guides/language_discipline.pdf
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I agree with you in the main, although im not too sure that the reaction of the tories is genuine. what i meant is i'm surprised this has pushed you to UKIP, i've always thought of them as right of the tories. Labour's epic economic failures and repression of civil liberties have made me want to vote lib dem.
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My OH has said the same about UKIP which is making me rethink voting for them. The main reason I thought they would be a sound choice is the fact they are so euroskeptical. However, I am not happy about voting for a party that is as right wing as the tories.
I would normally think of the libdems, but their assertions that income tax will go up is making me doubt voting for them too. To be absolutely honest, there is not one single party that I have any real faith in. That is so sad I could weep.http://www.websmileys.com/sm/sad/839.gif
Do you hear that? That's the sound of no one caring - anon
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ahh right fair enough
why the euroscepticism?
So unproductive has conservatism been in producing a general conception of how a social order is maintained that its modern votaries, in trying to construct a theoretical foundation, invariably find themselves appealing almost exclusively to authors who regarded themselves as liberal. - F.A. Hayek
Economic Left/Right: 4.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.74
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to be fair he did say....
"in civic terms they are British, British also has a meaning as an ethnic description".
From SussexWithLove
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I don't trust them - I know its utterly irrational; but they seem to do little for us and yet we pour millions into it and for what? To me its just yet another set of politicians filling their boots at our expense. I'm just sceptical of all politicians I suppose, particularly those who have no loyalty to my country because it's not their own. I don't blame them for that - you have to look out for your own after all.
Add to that our own MEP's who appear to do very little for us, and you have a prime eurosceptic in me. But I'm not a right winger either.....it's going to be uber tough for me I think come polling day at the GE, but I will vote.
Do you hear that? That's the sound of no one caring - anon
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BNP for me. Lib dems / Labour / Conservatives and UKIP are all a big joke.
What other choice is there??
From SussexWithLove
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Monster Raving Loony Party....oh wait, their actually in power now aren't they?http://www.websmileys.com/sm/happy/045.gif
Do you hear that? That's the sound of no one caring - anon
Conservative Member
Trouble, I would recommend voting UKIP.
What you must bare in mind is UKIP; like the BNP will never gain power in westminster. However, if 50 of our MEPs (out of 78) were UKIP, that would send a clear message to the Government, that Britain is a Eurosceptic country, and that the Governments policies towards Europe should reflect this.
Though, out of the mainstream parties, it is only the Conservatives willing to adopt a more Eurosceptic view.
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Take your point LA; but I could never, ever vote Tory. It's just goes against the grain too much - especially now Cameron's making noises about bringing back fox hunting.
Do you hear that? That's the sound of no one caring - anon
Conservative Member
I agree that Cameron should not bring back fox hunting, it is completely disgraceful.
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Which is clearly nonsense. British has no meaning as an ethnic description.
Scotia me genuit. Gallia me docuit. Comitatus Lanarkiensis me tenet.
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Is it? by saying that you are stating I’m not a member of an ethnic group. The BNP clearly state on their website what THEY think is Ethnically British. If you say Japanese you don’t think Germany. You can be English and British you know. You’ll never grasp this because you hate the idea of Britain.
From SussexWithLove
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Most right-thinking people hate the BNP's 'idea' (for idea read 'fantasy') of Britain, because it is based on notions of racial purity.
I know my own failings well enough to know that, for a left winger, I am quite judgemental. However, I do at least make an effort to judge individuals by what they do, not what social stereotype they happen to fall into. To do otherwise is to surrender to prejudice, and ultimately to fear.
"Government by the people for the people becomes meaningless unless it includes major economic decision-making by the people for the people." - Jimmy Reid
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Fear is a path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate... leads to suffering.
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Protecting your nation from mass immigratation is not a notion of racial purity, it is common sense.
A successful multicultral Britain is fantasy.
Unfortunately we cant open the British gates of Eden on the off chance we might actually attract some decent individuals. That’s bad business.
From SussexWithLove
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The force is strong in this one
From SussexWithLove
Anti-Ascription Crusader
Wise you are.
"Government by the people for the people becomes meaningless unless it includes major economic decision-making by the people for the people." - Jimmy Reid
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The BNP's anti-immigration rationale is not based on the practical concerns of, for example, increased pressure on public services. Any arguments presented by them in this area are simply arguments of convenience. Their primary motivation is centered around their view that human beings form a racial hierarchy, and that the anglo-germanic group sit on top of the pyramid.
Well, that depends entirely on what you consider successful to be. I'm not a multiculturalist BTW, just pointing out the open-endedness.
"Gates of Eden"? Seriously? Do you live in the same country I do?
"Government by the people for the people becomes meaningless unless it includes major economic decision-making by the people for the people." - Jimmy Reid
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Rubbish. The BNP always explain exactly why mass immigration is not good for our country and I've never heard them express desires that fit in with your views.
The primary motivation is to maintain a voice for the indigenous people who are discriminated against in their own country.
I struggle to understand why the indigenous people of this country fail to have the same rights as everyone else.
There are not many people in this country who would agree that multiculturalism works. What is the point of having a multicultural society if everyone prefers to live in their own groups? And don’t give me that crap about the government chooses where people live or its because minorities are poorer (which is rubbish).
If you asked a guy where he would prefer to live he would 9 times out 10 choose an area full of people like him.
I know our county is a hell hole at the moment. Shame the people who what to come here don’t see that. To the 3rd world England must be viewed as some kind of Eden judging by the number who live here / want to live here.
From SussexWithLove
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Well, I got my voting slip through the door yesterday.
European and County Council elections.
I wonder who i'll be voting
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I'm taking a wild guess here and saying it won't be the BNP, LA?
Do you hear that? That's the sound of no one caring - anon
Our council has been totally ballsed up by the Tories
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thought you were 17???Well, I got my voting slip through the door yesterday.
European and County Council elections.
I wonder who i'll be voting
So unproductive has conservatism been in producing a general conception of how a social order is maintained that its modern votaries, in trying to construct a theoretical foundation, invariably find themselves appealing almost exclusively to authors who regarded themselves as liberal. - F.A. Hayek
Economic Left/Right: 4.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.74
You still get one if you're going to be 18 come the election.
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oh right fair enough. It's my first one as well. my slip thing hasn't come yet though.
So unproductive has conservatism been in producing a general conception of how a social order is maintained that its modern votaries, in trying to construct a theoretical foundation, invariably find themselves appealing almost exclusively to authors who regarded themselves as liberal. - F.A. Hayek
Economic Left/Right: 4.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.74
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lolI'm taking a wild guess here and saying it won't be the BNP, LA?
To be fair to all parties, all councils will have to reduce rubbish collection - This is an EU thingOur council has been totally ballsed up by the Tories
Council Tax received a huge hike also due to the EU.
and for the individual who brought up my age, I will be 18 two weeks after the EU elections
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a) The fact that the underlying BNP ideology is racial, not cultural, is common knowledge. I take their 'explanations' (as with all political parties) with a pinch of salt - while the BNP's spin machine may not be as slick or effective as the mainstream parties, but every (intended) published statement is nonetheless crafted as an attempt to attain legitimacy and support from people such as yourself.
b) You have selective hearing.
What legal right(s) are they denied?
You like the word "Rubbish", don't you. Almost as much as Expounder likes the phrase "Russian-speaking". I refuse to accept that your massively simplistic assumption that > 90% of people actively choose to live in their own ethnic and cultural groups is correct, because it is not borne out in reality. We've been through this issue in the "Is segregation the way forward?" thread - you didn't sway me then, and you're making no headway now by taking the Morcambe & Wise defence.
Hell is being locked in a room forever with your closest friends - Satre.
You're making the mistake of assuming that the guy on the street will make the same decision you would. A proportion of them would - A proportion of them wouldn't - and the proportions involved would be far less one sided than 90/10.
'Eden' is perhaps too much of a stretch - 'a step up' might be closer to the truth. Depending on which side of the fence you happen to fall on, it could be said that the country has been a hell hole for quite some time.
"Government by the people for the people becomes meaningless unless it includes major economic decision-making by the people for the people." - Jimmy Reid
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I am sorry JAMC but you are just taking the mick now...
I am not going to sit for it any longer...
It's selective reading
Hahaha.
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but you still get to vote in them??
and for the individual who brought up my age, I will be 18 two weeks after the EU elections
So unproductive has conservatism been in producing a general conception of how a social order is maintained that its modern votaries, in trying to construct a theoretical foundation, invariably find themselves appealing almost exclusively to authors who regarded themselves as liberal. - F.A. Hayek
Economic Left/Right: 4.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.74
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