Why follow politics???

[upcomingcoup]

I thought when Willam Wallace battled the English, we fought for freedom.??
Not to be ruled under the british monarchy(which in my opinion is a sham)..
Where did Scottish pride go?? Did we all just give up?? Settle for what was comfortable at the time.?? I wish I could say we were beaten down by the government and could not fight back..... Ithink personally the Scots have become a pansy nation, bending over and being ****ed in the arse by whoever fancys. **** tory, labour, conservative etc: Why compete for different political plans and start fighting for the good of common man.

Scotland Please do not make me lose my faith in you

[a_political_buffoon]

As a young Scot who is having a tough time trying to make sense of where Scotland is going (or trying to go), i can't help but wonder what is the point in having an aggressive "Scottish" pride? How does it help? It just makes us look a little backwards

"Where did Scottish pride go?? Did we all just give up?? Settle for what was comfortable at the time.?? I wish I could say we were beaten down by the government and could not fight back..... Ithink personally the Scots have become a pansy nation, bending over and being ****ed in the arse by whoever fancys. **** tory, labour, conservative etc"

I think the obvious answer is that the people did what is natural; they/we took the path of least resistance. Perhaps there was an element of complacency with the oil booms of the 70's and 80's. You'll need to be tolerant of my apparent ignorance on Scottish politics as i have only recently begun to give a toss.

My opinion is this: There is nothing to gain from independence for the sake of it. Alex Salmond's nationalistic dream is [apparently] a bit of a farce and is giving our nation a bad name. Or, at least, i'm not reading any good news on the subject anyway. Lockerbie bomber arguments aside, what is the SNP and Scottish Parliament offering the Scottish people that is better than London's governance? Is Scottish independence going to truly benefit us or will it mark the beginning of our deeper descent into a third world country? What is the Scottish Parliament going to do about the REAL issues of drugs (aka. horrific crime) and unemployment (the two biggest issues that affect my area)?

I'm certainly not defending Labour, by the way. And the Tories may be jazzing up their look, but it'll be a tough vote for them north of our border. Lib dems seem about as convincing as a tired old church hymn. From what i've been seeing, i genuinely do not feel that ANY of the major political parties are worthy of the trust of a nation. The system is stale and, in places, simply rotten away.

Unless anyone can give me a better party that i can believe in, i'm going to be voting Green in any/all of the next elections.

I am a Scot, born and bred. Yet i see nothing worth praising as particularly "Scottish" in politics. I'd rather consider myself British anyway. I'll be voting "No" in any independence referendum.

[TellMeMore]

having lived in England for the last 30 years, can I ask you please , please to vote for independence. If Scotland does gain it, then we in England can hopefully be forever rid of those verminous Labour bastards.

[a_political_buffoon]

having lived in England for the last 30 years, can I ask you please , please to vote for independence. If Scotland does gain it, then we in England can hopefully be forever rid of those verminous Labour bastards.

You'll be rid of them soon enough by the looks of it! Surely they can't win again. Not this time. They're universally hated.

[Major Sinic]

I thought when Willam Wallace battled the English, we fought for freedom.??
Not to be ruled under the british monarchy(which in my opinion is a sham)..
Where did Scottish pride go?? Did we all just give up?? Settle for what was comfortable at the time.?? I wish I could say we were beaten down by the government and could not fight back..... Ithink personally the Scots have become a pansy nation, bending over and being ****ed in the arse by whoever fancys. **** tory, labour, conservative etc: Why compete for different political plans and start fighting for the good of common man.

Scotland Please do not make me lose my faith in you

The official Tory line on the Union is that it should be retained. Although an English Tory, I personally would be happy to abide by a Scottish referendum in favour of, and see Scotland granted, independence. Indeed I would be disappointed if they didn't vote for and receive independence.

My personal view is that as a nation the Scots are only ever happy whinging and whining about how tough it is under the 'English Yoke', whilst being subsidised by the English taxpayer to the tune of £1500 each year, per Scottish head. This means that their old people do not have to pay for residential care, and their university students don't have to pay tuition fees, whilst ours do!! Thank you England!!

[Alba]

The official Tory line on the Union is that it should be retained. Although an English Tory, I personally would be happy to abide by a Scottish referendum in favour of, and see Scotland granted, independence. Indeed I would be disappointed if they didn't vote for and receive independence.

My personal view is that as a nation the Scots are only ever happy whinging and whining about how tough it is under the 'English Yoke', whilst being subsidised by the English taxpayer to the tune of £1500 each year, per Scottish head. This means that their old people do not have to pay for residential care, and their university students don't have to pay tuition fees, whilst ours do!! Thank you England!!

I agree with you except you don't subsidise us, we subsidise you and have been ever since you started benefitting from the oil of the shores of Bonny Scotland.

Still, good to meet you.

[Major Sinic]

I agree with you except you don't subsidise us, we subsidise you and have been ever since you started benefitting from the oil of the shores of Bonny Scotland.

Still, good to meet you.

The tax on the offshore oil revenues, which is currently a British tax , along with all other taxes raised, is received by the Treasury in Westminster. From the total taxes received each Scottish man woman and child receives £1640.00 per annum more than their English counterparts.

Given this factual situation I find it hard to see how the subsidy is heading South!

Ownership of the oil reserves is by no means black and white, so you are not legally correct in implying that previous oil tax revenues were a Scottish asset, as much as you may want it to be so.

[Realist]

This whole question of loyalty to a particular country is, when you really think about it, somewhat nonsensical anyway - like religion it is instilled in us from an early age by well meaning but often misguided elders. Why should the fact you happen to have been born in x instil often fervid loyalty. After all, if you happened to be born in w, y or z you would feel just the same about them. It is just a throwback to tribal days when such instllied loyalty was vital for the survival of the pack. We are all citizens of the world now and so long as we have the freedoom to live by our own standards, without harm to
others or having other people's views forced on us, it should be sufficient.

[Alba]

The tax on the offshore oil revenues, which is currently a British tax , along with all other taxes raised, is received by the Treasury in Westminster. From the total taxes received each Scottish man woman and child receives £1640.00 per annum more than their English counterparts.

Given this factual situation I find it hard to see how the subsidy is heading South!

Ownership of the oil reserves is by no means black and white, so you are not legally correct in implying that previous oil tax revenues were a Scottish asset, as much as you may want it to be so.

The oil isn't English.

Moreover, nationhood may cost us but it's not just a question of playing with figures... oh yes, British tax... nice try.

[Midas]

The oil isn't English.

Moreover, nationhood may cost us but it's not just a question of playing with figures... oh yes, British tax... nice try.

You're right, it's not English oil, it's United Kingdom oil, from which the people of Scotland get more than their fair share; to our detriment as Major Sinic has absolutely correctly pointed out!

[Alba]

You're right, it's not English oil, it's United Kingdom oil, from which the people of Scotland get more than their fair share; to our detriment as Major Sinic has absolutely correctly pointed out!

It's temporarily UK oil, and I'm sure you're well aware that I'm going to say, 'after independence and the break up of the UK it's Scottish oil' ... and then the generosity of London will not be missed.

You don't really imagine it'll be UK oil after Scottish independence?

[Alba]

My opinion is this:a bit of a farce and is giving our nation a bad name

Scotland voted for devolution and because of that we are finally being noticed in the world.

what is the SNP and Scottish Parliament offering the Scottish people that is better than London's governance?

A local parliament is very aware of the local voters, London doesn't give a thought to Scotland. The SNP are doing things in Scotland that the Labour administrations haven't.

Is Scottish independence going to truly benefit us or will it mark the beginning of our deeper descent into a third world country?

Of course this is absurd.

What is the Scottish Parliament going to do about the REAL issues of drugs (aka. horrific crime) and unemployment (the two biggest issues that affect my area)?

Anything they do will be more than London has ever done.

I am a Scot, born and bred. Yet i see nothing worth praising as particularly "Scottish" in politics.

A fairly incomprehensible statement.

I'd rather consider myself British anyway. I'll be voting "No" in any independence referendum.

All this apparently generous minded piffle is just your Tory way of saying you're against independence because you're a Brit Nat.