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    Now Muslims demand: Give us full Sharia law these are the headlines from the Daily Express link Daily Express | UK News :: Now Muslims demand full Sharia law im not trying to read more into this but i think it says more about the risk of continuing to appease the muslims in this country than most articles i have read recently i hope thay receive permission to march in london
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    Quote Originally Posted by fubar View Post
    Now Muslims demand: Give us full Sharia law these are the headlines from the Daily Express link Daily Express | UK News :: Now Muslims demand full Sharia law im not trying to read more into this but i think it says more about the risk of continuing to appease the muslims in this country than most articles i have read recently i hope thay receive permission to march in london
    The only reason I can think of for them to march in London is that the authorities will be able to pinpoint exactly who these extremists are! Whilst I'm a firm believer in the freedom to protest as long as it's done lawfully, a line has to be drawn between that and inciting any form of hatred, which I think this is.

    These quotes from the Daily Express article...
    "Conservative MP and ex-Army officer Patrick Mercer said: “It is extremely distasteful and is stoking the fires of fear within the British public. “If anyone thinks that those views are a step forward in society they are seriously deluded. They are repellent and repulsive.”
    The group was also attacked by Tory MP Philip Davies who said: “This march is clearly a deliberate and provocative attempt to incite racial tension and disrupt community cohesion.
    “The simple solution is for these people to move to a country which already has sharia law.”
    A spokesman for the Islamic Society of Britain said: “99.999 per cent of Muslims despise these people. This only serves to fuel racial ­tensions.”"
    ...well illustrate the views of the vast majority of people, Muslim or not, within the UK. If people don't like whole swathes of British law and society the answer is simple; leave the country and go somewhere more to your liking.
    "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised 'for the good of its victims' may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us 'for our own good' will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." -- C.S. Lewis

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    Just a few thing missed that need to be brought up that Ann Widdacombe MP seemed to of missed while she been asleep for the last 5 years or so, or so it seems from this coment from the same article in the Daily Express.we sould expect no less from a Tory.
    Quote You cannot have two legal systems side by side

    hold on have we or have we not got some sharia courts in this country already.what planet has this woman been on lately
    And then to top it of Quote: and the one we have now works and the British people are perfectly happy with it.
    Are we now I wonder who told her that certainly not me she must be thicker than a elephants forskin if she belives that Very scary .

    Again what planet has this woman been on lately.has she not heard the likes of Mr Anjem Choudary and many more like him to many to mention here
    QuotePlans for the march are revealed on the web site Islam4uk which is fronted by preacher Anjem Choudary who has called for all British women to wear burkhas . Explaining the Nelson's column mock-up he said that under shariea law the construction and elevation ofstatues or idols is prohibited aned consequently the statue of nelsonwould be removed and demolished without hesitation At the base the freies would be replaced with islamic decorationand giant urns would be filed with gold coins for the poor.


    Very kind of him don't you think Mr Choudary seems to forget that he's on benefit and their is no such thing as truly poor in this country.

    Anjem Choudary continues his "Islamic roadshows" while receiving government benefits - Jihad Watch

    Mr Choudary has said that under sharia law all british people who commit adultery would be stoned to death adding that "anyone who becomes intoxicated by alcohol would be given 40 lashes in public


    Anjem Choudary on Now Your Talking - Debate


    He has also mocked the death of british soldiers and branded an army homecoming parade a "vile parade of brutal murderers
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    YouTube - Anjem Choudary talks of 7.7.

    YouTube - Crazy Muslim Cleric Anjem Choudary chants his shit on GMTV and ends up looking a tit

    YouTube - Tanya Stephens - Turn the other cheek

    just a few links to help us understand who and what Mr choudary stands for. I just hope the likes of Ann widdecombe get there colective heads out their arses dam quick or we will end up wakeing up to sharia law one sunny morning.
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    Every religion has the right to be affiliated to the constitutions i presume which can be included in the amendment act, so there you go. ;

    Ignorant of the religion law and practise usul- al-figh is not an excuss for any country to breach our constitutional and traditional practise contary to your bloody catholics law and practise. l.o.l
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    Quote Originally Posted by angelcountry View Post
    Every religion has the right to be affiliated to the constitutions i presume which can be included in the amendment act, so there you go. ;
    Please explain in more detail who said you have no rights?

    Ignorant of the religion law and practise usul- al-figh is not an excuss for any country to breach our constitutional and traditional practise contary to your bloody catholics law and practise. l.o.l
    If you don't like our laws why are you here if you can't stand the criticism May i suggest you go to another country where sharia law is practise.As you do seem to know very little about which you speak and it makes you sound a bit of a troll
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    Muslims at it again

    It says more about the Express than about mainstream Muslim views

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    It's not necessary to change the laws of any country to accommodate a 2 or 3% minority.
    Everything in Britain is done through the ballot box, then parliament, and that is the only way to go.
    Sharia law has its place, in countries where Muslims are in the majority.

    97% of people in the UK do not want Sharia law - I think that is enough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fubar View Post
    [/COLOR]If you don't like our laws why are you here if you can't stand the criticism May i suggest you go to another country where sharia law is practise.As you do seem to know very little about which you speak and it makes you sound a bit of a troll
    The context of your statement does show how ignorant you're about statute and connections of it to every faith under the article of the constitution, well it depends on where you fro anyway, i think the law lord need to update you about the nature of your unwriting constitutions anyway, do less of a writings and talking, sometimes it has no ramifications to me really.
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    If some people want to live by Sharia let them. In the event of a dispute or where Sharia law requires an action that is contrary to statute law or common law, statute and common law must take precedence. If some ignorant groups wish to march let them. We have all kinds of freaky organisations marching on all kinds of issues. Such is the nature of our freedom and democracy.

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    Well said indeed but at the end of the day every citizen has the right to practise their faith but regulated by the government and if they're not clear about some other country customs and principle including faith i think dialog will solve it instead of all this sort of noises.
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    Quote Originally Posted by angelcountry View Post
    The context of your statement does show how ignorant you're about statute and connections of it to every faith under the article of the constitution, well it depends on where you fro anyway, i think the law lord need to update you about the nature of your unwriting constitutions anyway, do less of a writings and talking, sometimes it has no ramifications to me really.
    Still you dodge the question who says you have no rights and all you can do is attack me for my poor english just bear this in mind my english will improve in time you religion won't. There is knowone stoping you from praticing your religion but i surpose if you count the fact that Shairia law is part an parcel of your faith then i surpose we are and thats the way it should stay Please tell me more about about our common law and tell me were it says you can't pratice your religion i await your responce
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    Even though I can't for the life of me understand why they'd want to do it, I fully support the right of everyone to practice whatever religion they like as long as they do so without trying to either proselytise or make demands. If anyone goes to live in a country where the accepted major religion or law is not their own, they should either accept the status quo or leave, it's as simple as that. If Christians moving to Islamic country started to demand that different laws applied to them, I can just imagine the reaction from both the people and the governments of the country concerned, so why can't Muslims coming here to a Christian society understand that we feel the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hastle View Post
    If some people want to live by Sharia let them
    . But not in this country that for shure In the event of a dispute or where Sharia law requires an action that is contrary to statute law or common law, statute and common law must take precedence. If some ignorant groups wish to march let them. We have all kinds of freaky organisations marching on all kinds of issues.
    Such is the nature of our freedom and democracy
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    You do contradict your self on this Hastle is'nt that what the Muslims and there sharia law does take away our freedoms and democracy??
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    Daily Express scare-mongering does not form the basis of sensible debate

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    While I support people's right to practice their chosen religion, assuming it doesn't harm others and they adopt at least a moderate amount of cultural politeness or breach the laws of the country they live in, I do find the Sharia courts to be unhealthy. While I understand that they only work within the constraints of the British Law and have little to no legal bearing outside of it, they exist on the premise that British Law is not good enough or suitable for Muslims, and that they need special provisions to accommodate them. It undermines the principles of a State's sovereign law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter Sadler View Post
    Daily Express scare-mongering does not form the basis of sensible debate
    I would agree, however it's the issue itself which is being discussed and is important, not the way it was reported in the Daily Express.
    "Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised 'for the good of its victims' may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us 'for our own good' will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." -- C.S. Lewis

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