two question for all england to answer

[fubar]

Question one
Islam and Christianity which is more relevant to Britain. For me the answer is simple. No it is not,

If i was to convert to(not likely)
Islam I would leave this country and go to a muslim one

Question two
Assuming in the next twenty years or so the Muslims gain a further foothold in Government and implememt Sharia law and Assuming their successful what would you do to try to prevent it's implemention

I for one for one would take up arms and drive them into the sea

So what would you do?? here is a link to help you decide i know there plenty of links i could have used but i could have chosen but after some thought and time trawling the net i found this a suitable choice i think anyway without further ado the link Media Player

[Marxist Nutter]

Question one
Islam and Christianity which is more relevant to Britain.
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Both are equally archaic and out of touch with the majority of English people I know.

[fubar]

Both are equally archaic and out of touch with the majority of English people I know.

not really an answer is it

[Kiwi 1691]

not really an answer is it

Well what else would you expect him to say.

They both are archaic.

[Alba]

So what would you do?

The gun dear boy, the gun.

[DTE]

Question one
Islam and Christianity which is more relevant to Britain. For me the answer is simple. No it is not,

If i was to convert to(not likely)
Islam I would leave this country and go to a muslim one

But you could stay here if Islam completely takes over.

Question two

Assuming in the next twenty years or so the Muslims gain a further foothold in Government and implememt Sharia law and Assuming their successful what would you do to try to prevent it's implemention

I for one for one would take up arms and drive them into the sea

But that would ruin your car

So what would you do?? here is a link to help you decide i know there plenty of links i could have used but i could have chosen but after some thought and time trawling the net i found this a suitable choice i think anyway without further ado the link Media Player

The Muslims are not going to implement Sharia law here. Its just scaremongering. But to humour you, yes I would take up arms aswell. Christianity and Islam are just as outdated as eachother, its just you can do Christainity part time, which makes it easier to pretend it has more relevance.

[uncon]

Question one
Islam and Christianity which is more relevant to Britain. For me the answer is simple. No it is not,

If i was to convert to(not likely)
Islam I would leave this country and go to a muslim one

Question two
Assuming in the next twenty years or so the Muslims gain a further foothold in Government and implememt Sharia law and Assuming their successful what would you do to try to prevent it's implemention

I for one for one would take up arms and drive them into the sea

So what would you do?? here is a link to help you decide i know there plenty of links i could have used but i could have chosen but after some thought and time trawling the net i found this a suitable choice i think anyway without further ado the link Media Player

Have you been experimenting with the theories of Dr Nutt? Would you care to partake of the joys of horse-riding too?

You might as well ASSUME that we are suddenly turned into Orthodox Jews.

Frankly I would be more concerned about identity cards - given your obvious paranoia it would kill you if THEY knew where you lived.

[fubar]

Both are equally archaic and out of touch with the majority of English people I know.

As i see it, it is relivant as Islam is atacking this secular /christian society relevant becuse even the secular part of this society is also under threat from Islam as are all religions. Islam is a religion of fear and intimidation It won't take that long before the most liberal Muslim to be convinced to side with the Muslim fanatics. So the questions are relevant, you chose not to give a proper answer may i asume you would do nothing.

[fubar]

Well what else would you expect him to say.

They both are archaic.

he could have explained why there archaic could he not

[DTE]

It won't take that long before the most liberal Muslim to be convinced to side with the Muslim fanatics. So the questions are relevant, you chose not to give a proper answer may i asume you would do nothing.

The biggest threat is not Islam on liberalism, its the other way round. Look at the collapse of Christianity in this country, we embraced secularism and stopped going to church. Moderate Muslims will do the same, its just Islam seems to be putting up more of a fight that Christianity did. You might say 'how can I predict this?', but it seems just as valid a prediction as your 'all Muslims will eventually become extremists'.

[fubar]

But you could stay here if Islam completely takes over.

I would sooner die than live under the protection of a muslim state.

But that would ruin your car

like it

The Muslims are not going to implement Sharia law here. Its just scaremongering. But to humour you, yes I would take up arms aswell. Christianity and Islam are just as outdated as eachother, its just you can do Christainity part time, which makes it easier to pretend it has more relevance.

Why is it scaremongering when we have Shiria courts in this country in my town we have one the next step would be full shiria law. Islam in the eyes of a muslim it's not out dated, in the eyes of a muslim it is still relevant.

[Scooby]

I agree that both religions are archaic, however in reality Christianity has more relevance in the UK, it is the religion that has the largest following and much of our history has been shaped by it, and our judicial / political system is shaped by it.

As for the second point, well yes i would take up arms to prevent a total theocracy( of any ilk) from taking over, many in the more extreme elements of Islam believe that democracy itself is heretical, as it implies that the free thought of man should decide over the interpretations of the religious leaders, so i for one would not want to live under this type of regime

[fubar]

The biggest threat is not Islam on liberalism, its the other way round. Look at the collapse of Christianity in this country, we embraced secularism and stopped going to church. Moderate Muslims will do the same

On this i hope you right, allthough i have a problem with it, if that is the case why do we hear of more Mosques being built why do continue to allow more schools for Muslims being educated in the Koran Why do we hear our goverment defend the muslim faith {ok that might be just for the vote ,so that's ok then) the muslim faith is expanding in this country not contracting 1500 hundred mosques and counting and with each one a muslim comunity builds around it.

its just Islam seems to be putting up more of a fight that Christianity did. You might say 'how can I predict this?', but it seems just as valid a prediction as your 'all Muslims will eventually become extremists'

Not all, thay only need to get a small percentage of people Mainly heads of family's the rest will follow and do as their told it is the muslims way.

[uncon]

On this i hope you right, allthough i have a problem with it, if that is the case why do we hear of more Mosques being built why do continue to allow more schools for Muslims being educated in the Koran Why do we hear our goverment defend the muslim faith {ok that might be just for the vote ,so that's ok then) the muslim faith is expanding in this country not contracting 1500 hundred mosques and counting and with each one a muslim comunity builds around it.

Why is that a bad thing? There is nothing to stop us raising money for more churches if they could be filled.

Why assume that to show religious tolerance is to display weakness, when it can equally be argued that it shows strength, confidence and respect for others. Nobody is suddenly not subject to the law because they happen to follow the Kuran.

Not all, thay only need to get a small percentage of people Mainly heads of family's the rest will follow and do as their told it is the muslims way.

Why do I get the distinct impression that if you find that the milk has gone sour in the carton, then you will post saying that it was cursed by Islam?

Naturally we should fight extremism wherever it occurs and in whatever circumstances. We should also be very wary of those who seek to stir up religious intolerance on a political forum.

[Kiwi 1691]

he could have explained why there archaic could he not

Because Christianity/Judaism/Islam are based on the outdated beliefs of the time, those beliefs like killing gay people, killing women who cheat on their husband etc are considered archaic to our modern society.

[fubar]

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Why is that a bad thing? There is nothing to stop us raising money for more churches if they could be filled.

Amen to that

Why assume that to show religious tolerance is to display weakness, when it can equally be argued that it shows strength, confidence and respect for others. Nobody is suddenly not subject to the law because they happen to follow the Kuran.

Just have to ask, how much do you know about the muslim faith otherwise i don't think you would have said that.

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Why do I get the distinct impression that if you find that the milk has gone sour in the carton, then you will post saying that it was cursed by Islam?

Ha bugger thats who turned my milk sour, that deserves a thread all of it's own, think i'll do that later how do you think the thread should start, how about shock news, muslims turn milk sour

Naturally we should fight extremism wherever it occurs and in whatever circumstances. We should also be very wary of those who seek to stir up religious intolerance on a political forum

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I'm intolerant of all faiths if and only if thay attack our culture I don't seek to stir up anythink just to debate the issue,s of the day. And the Muslim,s are one bigggg issue imo.

[fubar]

Because Christianity/Judaism/Islam are based on the outdated beliefs of the time, those beliefs like killing gay people, killing women who cheat on their husband etc are considered archaic to our modern society.

all or just one?

[Kiwi 1691]

all or just one?

They are all archaic.

[fubar]

They are all archaic.

Some are more old fashioned than others imo, We all have some sort of belief system to follow Budism, Hindoism, Sikhism, Liberalism, Toryism, Conservatism, Marxism, Monarchism, Catholicism, Capitalism, Nazism, (It's interesting to note in the Dictionary Nazi to use in a derogatory term,person with extreme racist or authoritarian views could you not apply the same terminology to Islam) And many more all have a place in todays society. Yes some if not all can be classed as old fashioned. Non of the above,attack our freedom or culture, all of the above are worthy of debate The Christian faith is imbeded in our culture makes it Relevant. 76% of the population in England Class themselves as Christians again makes it relavant. Around 3% of the population are Muslim the minority trying to implement Sharia law on us makes it relevant Just Because something is old doesn't make it any less relevant Like shooting your mum when she hits Sixty Just because she old not such a good idea.Shooting someone just becuse they disagree with your religion or culture Priceless.

[Barry]

Because Christianity/Judaism/Islam are based on the outdated beliefs of the time, those beliefs like killing gay people, killing women who cheat on their husband etc are considered archaic to our modern society.

Excuse me!
Christianity says to love your enemy, love your neighbour.
Nowhere does Christianity condone killing gay people, killing women who cheat on their husbands, or killing anyone at all for that matter.

Jesus said: "Whoever is without sin, cast the first stone"
(There is no-one without sin according to Christianity.)

So, please don't lump Christianity in with the Jewish law based on the Pentateuch, or with Islam, based on the teachings of a false prophet.

[JacquesMagique]

Excuse me!
Christianity says to love your enemy, love your neighbour.
Nowhere does Christianity condone killing gay people, killing women who cheat on their husbands, or killing anyone at all for that matter.

Jesus said: "Whoever is without sin, cast the first stone"
(There is no-one without sin according to Christianity.)

So, please don't lump Christianity in with the Jewish law based on the Pentateuch, or with Islam, based on the teachings of a false prophet.

I can only presume you are not familiar with the old testament.

[Midas]

Why oh why do people keep quoting verses from the bible as though they were factual, when there's not the slightest shred of evidence to back that up, even that many of the people mentioned in the bible even existed? In this day and age when accuracy and authentication are vital, it's about as big an anachronism as it's possible to have, and to quote it in any rational discussion is completely pointless.

[uncon]

Why oh why do people keep quoting verses from the bible as though they were factual, when there's not the slightest shred of evidence to back that up, even that many of the people mentioned in the bible even existed? In this day and age when accuracy and authentication are vital, it's about as big an anachronism as it's possible to have, and to quote it in any rational discussion is completely pointless.

Not even the erotic poetry bits?

[Kiwi 1691]

Nowhere does Christianity condone killing gay people, killing women who cheat on their husbands, or killing anyone at all for that matter.

It does, the bible does say that and alot more.

[fubar]

Liberal Secularism as they are

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yes i am the liberal idea,s stink

[Midas]

Not even the erotic poetry bits?

Are there any? Hang on, I'll start a new thread immediately

[uncon]

Behold, thou art fair, my love; behold, thou art fair; thou hast doves' eyes within thy locks: thy hair is as a flock of goats, that appear from mount Gilead.
Thy teeth are like a flock of sheep that are even shorn, which came up from the washing; whereof every one bear twins, and none is barren among them.
Thy lips are like a thread of scarlet, and thy speech is comely: thy temples are like a piece of a pomegranate within thy locks.
Thy neck is like the tower of David builded for an armoury, whereon there hang a thousand bucklers, all shields of mighty men.
Thy two breasts are like two young roes that are twins, which feed among the lilies.
Song of Solomon, 4. 1

Is it me or is it getting a little hot in here?

anyhow back to the topic...what was it again?

[Midas]

Is it me or is it getting a little hot in here?

anyhow back to the topic...what was it again?

The topic, err, something to do with the relevance of Islam and Christianity in Britain I think!