Are you ready for Salmond's St. Andrew's day betrayal?

[Peter Dow]

BBC: Alex Salmond talks about his plans for Scotland's future

The cause of Scottish national independence is to be sold out by Alex Salmond on St Andrew's day when he publicizes his white paper much-hyped as an "independence referendum" white paper and plan.

It is a lie. It is a fraud. It does not offer Scottish national independence.

The referendum plan that Salmond and the Queen's civil servants have come up with is for an independent Queen's state with the Scots to be denied our national independence.

So long as we Scots are denied the right to elect our own head of state, a president, of a Scottish republic, we will not be independent but enslaved by the Queen's state.

What Salmond proposes is not a half-way house to Scottish national independence either. A Queen's Scottish state would not be progress. We already have a Queen's Scottish state and Salmond is the Queen's first minister already.

Salmond's referendum plan is a plan for the status quo which is the Saltire used as an alternative Queen's butcher's apron for the Queen's ministers and officers in Scotland.

Salmond's plan is not a plan for us Scots - it is a plan against us Scots, to keep us down and under the brutal heel of the Queen's ministers and officers.

The danger is that there will also be republicans who foolishly welcome Salmond's referendum plan as, so we are told, "a move forward, a half-way house to a Scottish republic". Lies, lies and more lies.

To see Scottish republicans dance to Salmond's royalist tune is even more of a betrayal.

Scottish republicans expect to be betrayed by royalists. But when republicans betray the cause of an independent Scottish republic by agreeing with royalists' plans it is an unexpected betrayal.

I will not betray the cause of an independent Scottish republic and I call every co-called "Scottish republican" who supports Salmond's referendum plan announced on Monday "TRAITOR!" because that is what they will be.

See these topics and polls in the Users and Guests forum of the For Freedom Forums.

Sticky: [ Poll ] What do you think about Salmond's plan for a referendum?

Sticky: [ Poll ] If Alex Salmond shat on a plate and called it 'mince' ...

[Borderscot]

You ideas in this post are evn more weird that those of Smart Alec. If you think that youyr ideas would receioved the acceptance of the people of Scotland you will need to remain living in Mars.

[Rick Maxwell]

That attitude seems rather archaic. I was born and raised in Glasgow, and to be honest most people dont care! Its sad but true. Even if there were a referendum i know that it would be shunned by the high levels of labour support that will just vote it down as a automatic reaction. I also dont believe in indepedence, we as a country along with England, Wales and Northern Ireland, are reaping benefits on the world stage that we could only dream of as a "Republic". Forget the oil and Thatcher, there is an underlying factor of feudalism within Nationalist corners. The idea of independence should not be fought on revenge of past deeds but on progress, and i am yet to see the fact on that!

[albannach]

That attitude seems rather archaic. I was born and raised in Glasgow, and to be honest most people dont care! Its sad but true. Even if there were a referendum i know that it would be shunned by the high levels of labour support that will just vote it down as a automatic reaction. I also dont believe in indepedence, we as a country along with England, Wales and Northern Ireland, are reaping benefits on the world stage that we could only dream of as a "Republic". Forget the oil and Thatcher, there is an underlying factor of feudalism within Nationalist corners. The idea of independence should not be fought on revenge of past deeds but on progress, and i am yet to see the fact on that!

Not sure what part of glasgow you are from , but it sure as hell isn`t the same part as me.Quislings, the lowest of the low.

[Peter Dow]

I also dont believe in indepedence, we as a country along with England, Wales and Northern Ireland, are reaping benefits on the world stage that we could only dream of as a "Republic".

"We" are not the country so far as the state, the kingdom, the Queen and her officers - judges, police and so on are concerned. They think THEY are the country - and because they have the guns they call the shots.

I think we the people should be the country but to make that a reality we would need to get the state answering to us instead of bossing us around. We do that by electing a president as head of state and getting rid of the monarchy and the kingdom once and for all.

I am not sure what benefits you might think the people are reaping all I can ask is what benefits do those murdered or killed in accidents in Scotland gain from the Queen and kingdom? They got reaped all right - by the Grim Reaper Queen.

The Royal Disasters
The Terrorist Killer Queen

Forget the oil and Thatcher, there is an underlying factor of feudalism within Nationalist corners. The idea of independence should not be fought on revenge of past deeds but on progress, and i am yet to see the fact on that!

Excuse me feudalism is monarchy - the exact opposite of republicanism.

I KNOW there are those who put Queen and the clan chiefs ahead of democratic people power - but those feudalists are NOT true nationalists. They might be in the SNP but the SNP are not true nationalists either. The SNP are run by royalists and are therefore traitors to Scots and loyal to the Queen - no wonder you think THEY are feudalists but please don't make the MISTAKE OF BELIEVING THE SNP when they describe themselves as "nationalists".

The SNP are liars. Nationalism has nothing to do with supporting the Queen. The SNP are cheats and frauds out to give nationalism a bad name to keep their Queen in power.

The fact is right now, you are talking your education from Salmond and the SNP - they are telling you what "nationalist" means and you are swallowing it whole. I have to ask you what Salmond's ****e tastes like because it would make me boak.

[Greg Lance-Watkins]

Hi,

just think they can celebrate St. Andrew Square in Edinburgh and parade around the Satanic symbolism the tax payers funded with the All Seeing Eye.

So very Scottish & so VERY corrupt.

See:
StolenKids-Hollie
&
StolenKids-GROSSART
&
StolenKids-Dunblane
&
The SPECulative Society of Edinburgh (TheSSoE)

St. Andrew will be Cross!

Regards,
Greg L-W.

[Greg Lance-Watkins]

Are you ready for Salmond's St. Andrew's day betrayal?

Hi,

Here is a posting from the blog http://GL-W.bolgspot.com

A FANTASTIC INDICTMENT OF SCOTTISH LEGAL CORRUPTION
StolenKids-Hollie: SK-H109 - On the Make AND the TAKE?

It seems this Scottish Law Lord Lords it above the law with her cronies.

The Grampian Police who were so embroiled in the corruption regarding Dunblane and then the stitch-up over Lockerbie are now little more than errand boys for the self serving and incestuously inter related Lawyers, Banksters, Politicians and Press in Scotland.

No wonder there is a body of political thinking in Scotland who believe breaking away from Britain and being directly ruled by the malign EU would suit them – The corrupt would seem to see a corrupt opportunity!

Just follow the trail on The SPECulative Society of Edinburgh (TheSSoE) and the many links provided!

Justice in Scotland STINKS corrupted to suit a misogynistic evil claque of rich MEN seemingly involved in Satanism!

Extreme – NO I think NOT see for yourself

Enter St. Andrew Sq., Edinburgh in Google Earth and when YOU scan in YOU explain why at a cost of £2.8Million the square was defiled with the Satanic Symbolism of The All Seeing Eye which is undeniably the design.

I understand that much of the money for this project was from Forward Scotland Trust which is co chaired by Alex Salmond and Sir Angus Grossart.

Check The Spec list and Grossart is a major member as is his vile narcissistic nephew Hamish Grossart who beat up his wife and urinated on her and is clearly a corrupt control freak who it is claimed destroyed the British Pottery Industry by his ownership of Royal Doulton and his greed and incompetence – that is a polite assessment of this man who clearly Duncan Bannantyne believed to be a crooked little bounder:

GROSSART, Hamish McLeod: FLEET ST. INVEST - Tom Bulford - 27-Aug-09 QUALITY CARE HOMES

Just as a point of interest in passing Sir Angus Grossart owns his own bank called Noble Grossart and was one of the Bangsters on the board of Royal Bank of Scotland – perhaps he knows where all the works of art owned by Nat West when RBS took them over vanished! If not perhaps his token wife Gay whose crass and childish daubs are bought for huge sums from the public purse and controlled interests it seems may know or failing that his daughter who works for an art clearing house in London – Auctioneers may have some ideas!

Whilst on the subject of corruption and money perhaps some clever finance bod on this mailing can let me know how Murray International who present themselves rather implausibly as a combination of Steel Stockholders and Sport promoters would seem to have been able to borrow £1Billion from what is effectively a busted tax payer owned bank of which Sir Angus Grossart WAS a director.

The strange thing is that the borrowing seems to be at base rate!!! I also can not work out what the money is secured by – Steel stock holders! Well a pile of rusty steel big enough to cover Scotland would hardly be worth that at todays steel prices and surely no one would rate Rangers Football Club as worth a £Billion – in fact I wonder what Rangers’ debts are and what secures them when you look at Man.U. who are £750Million in debt!

Not so much the smoke and mirrors of Scots in politics south of the border with their economically illiterate Brown and Darling but like Justice in Scotland more a case of ‘Scots Mist’ or should that be ‘Scotch Mist’ unless it is ALL made in Japan by now !

We even have leading Scottish politicians making special pleadings for serial benefit fraudsters – could it be that these scum in Scottish Politics, Law and Banks consider stealing from the public purse fair gain as Scotland lives largely on Subsidy from tax payers south of the border and north of the border the sole profitable industry would seem to be screwing anyone they can and running rip offs. Just what is Scotland’s income based on?

Glasgow Café Culture which anyone knows is pure hokum set up for grants – whilst the reality on a Friday and Saturday is that Glasgow is a violent befouled vomitarium. Edinburgh is the same but with delusions of grandeur and frankly when one realises that of the 5 Million Scots 80% live within 40 miles of Sokkie Hall Street and the balance live within reach of a bottle!

Between 17 & 25 Million people had the intelligence to leave Scotland and never return over the years leaving the parasites and a few unfortunates behind.

It is time Scotland was cleaned up and given something to be proud of by fielding a full slate of
INDEPENDENT Leave-the-EU Alliance
http://www.Leave-the-EU.org.UK
candidates in every election to TRY to restore self respect and morality and see the back of the trash that run it now mainly because they spill over the borders and befoul politics elsewhere.

Please Try To Help Scotland by publishing this widely so that perhaps in time we can make a difference in what is one of the most beautifull parts of these United Kingdoms with immense potential but preyed upon by corrupt Scottish Parasites.

Regards,

Greg L-W.

[Binnman]

The Grampian Police who were so embroiled in the corruption regarding Dunblane and then the stitch-up over Lockerbie are now little more than errand boys for the self serving and incestuously inter related Lawyers, Banksters, Politicians and Press in Scotland.

Either you, or that blog you quoted from are in dire need of geography lesson.

Grampian Police are responsible for the Aberdeen and Aberdeenshire area. Dunblane is located just to the north of Stirling and is Policed by Central Scotland Police. Lockerbie is in Southwest Scotland and Policed by Dumfries and Galloway Constabulary.

Something akin to me blaming the Police in Manchester for a murder in Tooting.

If you're going to have a pop at Scotland, do be a good chap and try and get your facts sorted

[Barry]

Nationalism is OK for everyone except England,then?

Some people are hell-bent on a United Europe, even though it is divided.
Others are hell-bent on dividing the United Kingdom.
It's madness, all of it, I tell you.

[Major Sinic]

I do so wish that if they won't give the Scots the opportunity to vote for the break up of the Union, they would let the English have the opportunity to do so. Of all the nations we English have to end up linked to by a seemingly unbreakable umbilical cord it is the whining, whingeing Scots. We subsidise them to the tune of £1650 each year for every man, woman and child and do we get a whisper of thanks? Do we hell!

Get rid of this wart north of our border and use the subsidy saved to look after our own old folk in need. Independence from Scotland now!!!

At least the Irish and Welsh can play Rugby; the Scots can't even do that. The Welsh can sing, and at least their national emblem is edible. The Irish have a hospitable nature, tell a wonderful story and the shamrock brings good luck. The Scots are as prickly as the thistle they seem to love, their only music resembles a dying cat in its death wail, and they have a chip on their shoulders larger than a Canadian redwood. And they look so ruddy silly in picnic rugs wrapped round their waists.

Rebuild Hadrians Wall, give them independence, let them establish a republic, let us repatriate their natives and let them get on with it in splendid isolation, in their check skirts.

The only good Scots are those you meet north of Carlisle! I should know, I married one!!

[JacquesMagique]

Without scots, the British army would be pretty damn small.

[Binnman]

I do so wish that if they won't give the Scots the opportunity to vote for the break up of the Union, they would let the English have the opportunity to do so. Of all the nations we English have to end up linked to by a seemingly unbreakable umbilical cord it is the whining, whingeing Scots. We subsidise them to the tune of £1650 each year for every man, woman and child and do we get a whisper of thanks? Do we hell!

Not including oil revenues, Scotland's contribution (per head) to the UK is second only to those folks in London. Since you live in Oxfordshire, it would appear that we are subsidising you!!!

If Oil revenues were taken into the equation, then the contribution from North of the border would far and away outstrip the rest of the UK.

Of course you may not like the music etc., but without the Scots, you'd still be;

Driving on metal rimmed wheels
Driving on dirt roads
Unable to talk to anyone (unless face to face)
etc etc;

Scottish inventions and discoveries - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Just as a thought. Where would you lot get your fuel from after we close down the pipeline from the North Sea?

[Midas]

Not including oil revenues, Scotland's contribution (per head) to the UK is second only to those folks in London. Since you live in Oxfordshire, it would appear that we are subsidising you!!!

If Oil revenues were taken into the equation, then the contribution from North of the border would far and away outstrip the rest of the UK.

We've had this discussion in the past; North Sea oil revenues do not belong to Scotland, they belong to the UK as a whole, so there's no subsidising there! There's no such thing as a separate Scottish EEZ in the North Sea.

Of course you may not like the music etc., but without the Scots, you'd still be;

Driving on metal rimmed wheels
Driving on dirt roads
Unable to talk to anyone (unless face to face)
etc etc;

Scottish inventions and discoveries - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Yes, there certainly have been many Scottish inventors of note, but if they hadn't invented those things, someone else would have very soon afterwards, so saying we'd be without anything is a bit pointless.

[Major Sinic]

Not including oil revenues, Scotland's contribution (per head) to the UK is second only to those folks in London. Since you live in Oxfordshire, it would appear that we are subsidising you!!!

If Oil revenues were taken into the equation, then the contribution from North of the border would far and away outstrip the rest of the UK.

Of course you may not like the music etc., but without the Scots, you'd still be;

Driving on metal rimmed wheels
Driving on dirt roads
Unable to talk to anyone (unless face to face)
etc etc;

Scottish inventions and discoveries - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Just as a thought. Where would you lot get your fuel from after we close down the pipeline from the North Sea?

Your reference to support your economic fiction would be interesting.

Glad I have stirred one of you Jocks up! The only good thing to regularly come out of Scotland is in various shades of autumnal gold to brown and comes in a bottle.

[Binnman]

Here you go Major;

The Big Lie

I'm not stirred up, you'll know when you stir up one of us..................................the skean dhu will be sticking out your back!!

[Major Sinic]

Here you go Major;

The Big Lie

I'm not stirred up, you'll know when you stir up one of us..................................the skean dhu will be sticking out your back!!

An interesting paper although partisan and assumptive in its calculations and conclusions. The majority of impartial economic commentators would, I suggest, prefer the credibility of the National Audit Office and their confirmation of the figures used under the Barnett Formula, which currently allocates £50b of UK government spending on a devolved basis, under which Scotland receives 117% per head in comparison with Englands 100%. This equates to a £1644 subsidy per Scottish head.

[Binnman]

Yes, but you're forgetting one thing.

The money paid in the subsidy, is not gratis to the Scottish people. We pay our taxes etc just like everyone in the UK, so it's not just England paying for Scotland, it's all of the UK paying for each other.

Personally, I'd far prefer a total break from the UK, rather than this extra layer of government which soaks up a large whack of any income the country (Scotland) receives.

[Midas]

Here you go Major;

The Big Lie

Having had a quick look through what's written there, what immediately springs to mind is the phrase "lies, damn lies and statistics". Depending on how you read them, many of the illustrations of unfairness and bias against the Scottish people, financially speaking, are dubious to say the least. Even though official government sources have been quoted, the interpretation of their figures is somewhat questionable. Not what I'd call a reliable source, rather one presenting the argument it wants its audience to hear.

[Major Sinic]

Personally, I'd far prefer a total break from the UK, rather than this extra layer of government which soaks up a large whack of any income the country (Scotland) receives.

I think a lot of English would agree with you. I do!