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    Levels of Evil Seem WAY Above The Norm - Why?

    Hi,

    is Satanism rife in all of Scotland or is it concentrated in Edinburgh where recently the local authorities, I presume, re-designed St. Andrew Square and included this Satanic symbol as the design



    Have the Spec. got such a stranglehold of evil on Scotland that they can instal their imagery wherever they like?



    It would seem that when one reads about the Hollie Greig case, The Magic Circle, The Dunblane Killings, the corruption of the inquiry by Lord Cullen, the seeming mysogeny of the Courts that there is a malevolent atmosphere of pervading evil.

    Certain names emerge again and again in research! Pederasty seems all but endemic in some circles!

    Regards,
    Greg L-W.

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    Re: Levels of Evil Seem WAY Above The Norm - Why?

    The shocking ordeal of a Scottish girl with Down's Syndrome, Hollie Greig, who was horribly abused by an Aberdeen paedophile ring, over a period of fourteen years. It is important to stress that both the police and qualified medical experts have described Hollie as a competent and entirely honest witness.

    From the age of just six, Hollie was repeatedly sexually abused by her father, Denis Charles Mackie. Later, Mackie began sharing his daughter with a gang of paedophile "swingers" that has been operating in Aberdeen for many years. The identities of a further seven child victims are already known. There is no question that the gang are well-connected, efficiently organised and totally ruthless. Our frightening story is that they are protected by individuals of "high standing" within the Scottish establishment.

    In 2000, after 14 years of terrified silence, Hollie eventually told her mother, Anne, about the abuses. Formal statements were made to Grampian Police, providing all the horrifying details and the names of the abusers. They included a senior Scottish Sheriff, a policeman, social workers, a nurse, a solicitor, an accountant, a fire officer, married couples and others. Some of the rapes were carried out at the homes of these individuals, including that of the Sheriff’s sister. Other children were sometimes involved, including children of the paedophiles themselves.

    The latest chapters in this astonishing and horrifying story about Hollie, and the seven other abused children, have taken place over the past few weeks. The key issues are a continued refusal by Grampian police to fully investigate the overwhelming evidence for the paedophile rapes, and a wall of silence by the Scottish establishment.

    Whilst there has been some general Scottish media coverage, notably in The Firm and the Aberdeen Press and Journal, the media has been largely silent on what must be one of Scotland's worst top level paedophile scandals. A key figure in the press silence is the Lord Advocate, in her former role as Procurator Fiscal in Aberdeen, when in 2000 she is alleged to have effectively buried the case. Was this to prevent her associate and most influential member of the paedophile ring, Sheriff X, from being investigated, along with the other named members of the fifteen-strong rape gang?

    Elish Angiolini, the Scottish Lord Advocate, is in charge of all criminal prosecutions. She is alleged to have reacted immediately to public calls for a full police investigation, by pressurising against publication. Subsequently, and under considerable duress, The Firm published an apology. Shortly afterwards the Press and Journal ran a story accurately describing the case, mentioning a sheriff and police officer without identifying them. Angiolini was not discussed in the article.

    Mrs Angiolini`s role in the case recently aroused further suspicion, when it was claimed that she had used a private law firm, Levy and McRae, to issue warnings against all major Scottish editors, threatening them with legal action if any mention was made of her involvement in the case. Suspicious and angry, many individuals directly working to obtain justice for Hollie, as well as a growing number of the general public, now consider that key establishment figures, many with direct responsibility for criminal investigations and justice, have made a concerted and continuous effort to conceal the facts from the people of Scotland. Despite the pressure, investigators and campaigners for Hollie continue to stress that they hold documentary proof of the Lord Advocate’s actions, as well as proof that she has repeatedly failed to tell the whole truth about her connections with the Hollie abuse case for whatever reason.

    The senior partner in the Law Firm, Peter Watson, who is also head of litigation, is understood to have refused to comment as to whether the firm’s fees have been billed to Mrs Angiolini personally, or if they are being paid by the Scottish taxpayer.

    Mrs Angiolini’s office decided in December 2009 that they would not pursue the case due to "insufficient evidence." Corroborating evidence by private investigators and researchers indicates that other than Hollie, not one of the twenty-four named abusers and victims has even been questioned by Grampian Police.

    This follows the pattern of 2000, when the crimes and perpetrators were first reported. At that time, the police later admitted that only one of the gang, Hollie`s father, had even been interviewed.

    The UK Column is aware that investigators have just received from the Crown Office, after years of rebuttals, the Post Mortem report of Robert David Greig, brother of Hollie`s mother Anne. Robert died mysteriously in an alleged car fire in 1997. Despite extreme inconsistencies in witness statements and circumstances, no inquest took place and the cause of death was officially due to smoke inhalation.

    The Post Mortem stated that Robert has suffered considerable damage to his skull, two broken ribs and a broken sternum. Informal professional medical opinion so far is of the view that Robert had been severely beaten, had alcohol forced down his throat and then thrown into the burning vehicle.

    Although this was not known at the time, Hollie, in 2001, told her mother that just prior to his unexplained death, Robert had caught Hollie`s father sexually abusing her.

    The campaign for justice for Hollie, and other vulnerable victims of paedophiles in England and South Wales, not only goes on, but has intensified as outraged members of the public have flooded Aberdeen with leaflets naming all current members of the gang, including the head of a special school. All Aberdeen Councillors and MPs have also been alerted, but with little effect. There appears to be a conspiracy of establishment silence where the abuse of Hollie is concerned. Many people in Aberdeen are asking just who possesses the courage and decency to stand up against these staggering and shocking crimes against most vulnerable members of society? Certainly not their elected national and local representatives.

    UK Column volunteers continue to be shocked by the quantity and quality of evidence reaching them on the subject of paedophile and sexual abuse against young and vulnerable children in care and otherwise. The common theme is that victims and their supporters are unable to get any real support from Members of Parliament, Local Councillors, the Judiciary, Police and other ‘officials’. Many describe the creation of a wall of silence, often accompanied by targeted intimidation against the victims.

    Recently a policeman personally told the UK Column that police had themselves experienced their own paedophile investigations suddenly being dropped by senior police officers. He added "If you want to really get to the paedophiles you should look at Westminster". The implications of this statement are frightening – a paedophile ring amongst our political leaders – the political elite which has control of education and Social Services? The general public needs to open its eyes and confront this evil – and fast."

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    Re: Levels of Evil Seem WAY Above The Norm - Why?

    Hi,

    'thewakeupcall' dropped into this Forum and made ONE posting in spectacular anonimity/cowardice identifying individuals ALLEGED to be involved in paedophellia and its ALLEGED cover-up.

    Can 'thewakeupcall' be certain that the exploitation of Hollie Greig and her abuse is not current and they are not an integral part of that abuse and exploitation aiding and abetting Anne Greig & Robert Green and the braying mob?

    CONSIDER:

    in CLAIMED persuit of Justice4Hollie where is the benefit in showing a complete disregard for Justice?
    There is absolutely no substantive or corroborative evidence linking these individuals or the 7 NAMED victims with ANY offence against Hollie Greig.

    Without valid evidence this is a DENIAL of Justice for over 20 individuals based on hearsay!

    I have spent well over a year seeking acceptable evidence - to date I can find none. That is not to say there is none but to date Anne Greig & Robert Green have been unable to present anything more than the most febrile of circumstantial evidence mostly based on the CLAIMS of the Mother made, deduced or perhaps invented AFTER the event.

    Is it really someone's contention that Hollie was raped from the age of 6 for 14 years by numerous men with no damage and NOTHING noticed by her Mother till years later?

    We are TOLD that Hollie can not lie BECAUSE she is a Down Syndrome girl - How come she lived a lie and her Mother knew NOTHING for 14 years?

    Who did this childs laundry?

    Do YOU believe Anne Greig COULD be making all this up as a product of a very damaged personality?

    Do YOU believe Anne Greig WOULD be convincing after so many years of her own story?

    Do YOU believe in the main tennet of British law - Innocent until proven guilty, a law which protects us all?

    Do YOU believe that under English or Scottish law there is the slightest chance of a guilty verdict founded on 'Beyond ALL Reasonable Doubt' based on ANY evidence you have seen?

    I do NOT deny the possibility that Hollie Greig MAY have been sexually abused - However do YOU believe you have seen adequate evidence to deny the named individuals, both ALLEGED perpetrators and alleged victims Justice and publish their names?

    Do YOU know what mental age Hollie Greig is and what medical assesment do you base this on?

    We do KNOW that there have been allegations of mental health problems of the Mother because she has cited them and then hottly denied them - with claimed provenance. Have YOU seen her FULL medical record?

    I do NOT claim Anne Greig is telling lies - I merely submit there is no seeming evidence to substantiate her claims in ful! IS THERE a possibility she is not telling lies due to a mental inadequacy - I do not KNOW do YOU? I may have an opinion but I have NO proof.

    I do know and have sound proof that Anne Greig has lied to me, I also KNOW that Robert Green has not been honest with me either through gullibility, venal self interest, deliberate dishonesty or irresponsible over enthusiasm being drawn by the praise and aplause of 1,000s I DO NOT KNOW - Do YOU?

    I do KNOW that for every item of CLAIMED evidence led, almost all of which is febrile and circumstantial, as The Devil's Advocate (the only responsible adult stance in these circumstances when there is a massive braying lynch mob with NO EVIDENCE) I can provide equally, and at times more plausible, hypothesese to fit the circumstances!

    Can't YOU?

    After 100s of hours of work by way of web sites, dictating letters, phone conversations with Anne, Hollie & Robert I have seen much paper, heard many claims but as yet have seen not one wit of compelling evidence.

    Have YOU?

    PLEEEEEEEZE Provide any shred of corroborated and substantiated evidence that you can ANY so that we can work to Keep Hollie out of care, Anne out of medical supervision and Robert out of prison.

    At this stage it is with tremendous chagrin and embarrassment at having been seemingly duped that I am forced to say I believe that Social Services have a duty of care to Hollie as an extremely vulnerable young woman of hugely impaired medical faculties who is seemingly BEING exploited and her rights being abused.

    Social Services also have a duty of care for Anne Greig, who on the evidence and actions to date would seem to have deep and profound medical problems of her own of seemingly a psychotic and paranoid nature and needs help.

    However Robert Green has denied numerous people Justice in a criminal manner and it is a matter for those so clearly defamed (for defamed they have been unless Robert Green can provide irrefutable evidence). It is the duty of the society to restrain such individuals from further damage as he has defamed not only 18 unjustly accused so called paedophiles and 7 claimed victims.

    He has also defamed the media, BBC, Courts, Police, Lawyers, politicians and many more.

    There are even those who are so deranged as to believe I enjoy excecuting my duty and responsibility to seek JUSTICE when seemingly at the expense of such a wonderfully woven conspiracy!

    Do YOU for a moment believe that I derive any pleasure from the shreiking harridans and liars who are not seeking the truth or Justice merely a lynching to participate in - why would they wish the truth to get in the way of their self serving fantasies!

    British Justice is there to defend the innocent not be used as a show boat for revenge or self agrandisement - I regret at this stage I am undecided as to whether Robert Green is a fool, gullible, irresponsible, malicious or outright evil.

    I just don't have sufficient knowledge to KNOW - however his failure to step in and tell the truth and his glee at his 15 minutes of fame and his abject failure to step forward and speak honestly to suppress the foolish prattling of the hysterics and band wagon jumpers speaks volumes.

    Stuart Usher's ill informed role in this is little more than stupidity on the part of a public laughing stock, treated as a harmless ecentric but his ill infomed and opinionated twaddle recently has been fuel to the fire of the corrupt profiteers.

    I do hope someone - ANYONE can provide me with the sound evidence that can be taken forward to stand this case up but despite the huge effort and analysis, interviews and facts of which I am awre I fear no such evidence will ever materialise.

    The question now, since Robert Green has failed to take the hint of the Courts to date, which have been relatively mild with him, should he be held in custody on remand pending his trial and should he be facing a custodial sentence for the obscene damage he has irresponsibly done to the cause of Justice, not to mention dozens of individuals.

    BASED ON THE TOTAL LACK OF COMPELLING EVIDENCE to date - you just can not accuse individuals or groups of individuals of murder AND paedophelia and possibly even worse you can no cite VICTIMS.

    PLEASE provide some sound evidence!


    May I suggest you read up on the FACTS & Details pertaining to the issue at CLICK HERE

    Regards,
    Greg L-W.

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