Nightmare Britain - Pensioner's attacked by yobs and died as a result

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Albert and Kath Adams died after their home was set ablaze by thugs when they torched a mobility scooter parked in their porch on Saturday morning.
It is believed they became trapped in the burning building after the yobs, who the couple had previously challenged over loutish behaviour, returned for revenge.
The couple were rescued by firefighters and taken to Coventry's University Hospital suffering from severe smoke inhalation but Mr Adams died hours later.
His wife, who was in a critical condition, died 24 hours later yesterday afternoon.
Minutes before she died, Kath asked if she was going to be near her beloved husband Albert without realising he was already dead.
She told her sister-in-law Maureen Jones in hopital she would feel safe if she could be by his side, before she slipped away.
In hospital, after being rescued from the fire, Kath asked me, "Am I going to the ward to see Jamie?" That was his middle name and her pet name for him.
Then she said, "I will be alright if I can be near him." Ten minutes later, she sadly died.'
She said of her brother 'he was the most dependable and loving man you could ever hope to meet'.
"When we lost our son, David, in car accident when he was 18 Albert and Kath didn't leave our side for weeks,' said Mrs Jones.
Police believe the same gang struck again this morning at 1.28am, using the same method - but this time outside a different house just yards away. Luckily this couple, in their 90s, managed to escape.
The street where Mr and Mrs Adams live is home to 34 pensioners living in sheltered housing which is staffed by wardens.
However, neighbours say the area has been targeted by yobs in recent weeks.
Some residents claim the couple had previously stood up to a gang of teenagers for playing loud music and threatening elderly residents.
A neighbour in her 80s paid tribute to Mr and Mrs Adams, saying they tried to address the problem: 'Kath and Albert were not the type of people to stand for it. They tried to tackle the yobs but they just got verbally abused by them.'
Yvonne Bromfield, paid tribute to a 'devoted couple'. 'Everybody is in a state of utter shock. Kath and Albert were such a lovely, devoted couple who made the most of life.
'Kath was a brilliant bowler who had won dozens of trophies over the years. Albert loved the game too, but slowed down when he became ill.
'How anybody can do this is beyond me. It's such a tragic waste of life.'
Neighbour John Corras, 79, said: 'We've never had any problems like this before. It's usually such a peaceful area.
'A lot of people are terrified, thinking that they could be next. It's disgusting that anybody would do something like that on purpose.
'Somebody has obviously got a grudge against mobility scooters and us old folk. There are so many people in the area who are retired and need them to get around.'
Pensioner couple die in house blaze after mobility scooter is torched | Mail Online

Who remembers seeing Gordon Brown trying to smile on youtube.
When will enough good and decent people in our country stand up and demand better?

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The thread now should now read, Cameron"s Nightmare Britain. Very little is being done to change the way, to deal with crimes of this nature. Regulars of this forum know my, and some right-wingers methods of dealing with such people. Unfortunately, Mr Cameron and his liberal side kicks subscribe to the philosophy of the Socialist and liberal members of this forum. These methods have zero chance of working.

All he has to is apply himself in the same way as he does on the economic front, and be tough on law and order - SOME HOPES!

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The thread now should now read, Cameron"s Nightmare Britain. Very little is being done to change the way, to deal with crimes of this nature. Regulars of this forum know my, and some right-wingers methods of dealing with such people. Unfortunately, Mr Cameron and his liberal side kicks subscribe to the philosophy of the Socialist and liberal members of this forum. These methods have zero chance of working.

All he has to is apply himself in the same way as he does on the economic front, and be tough on law and order - SOME HOPES!

I don't disagree with your proposed change of thread name at all.
However I DO think you demand too much from an emerging government. They have taken the last 7 weeks to analyse the economic state of affairs, propose solutions and then start steering new legislation through Parliament. That will take time, and needs to be successful. Without economic security nothing else can happen, they must cure the leaks of our money into obscure arrangements set up by the last disastrous Labour government.
Like you I would love to see the police and supporting law deal with the lawlessness which seems to prevail throughout our country. I am quite sure it will happen but it takes time to discuss the problems, how to deal with them, and then enact the legislation.

The usual result from rapid law changes is bad law. The ban on fox hunting is but one example - brought in with excessive haste by New Labour and effectively unworkable; do you want more of that? I hope not.

If necessary come back with your demands in 6 months time, then I may be complaining as much as you are!

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The thread now should now read, Cameron"s Nightmare Britain. Very little is being done to change the way, to deal with crimes of this nature. Regulars of this forum know my, and some right-wingers methods of dealing with such people. Unfortunately, Mr Cameron and his liberal side kicks subscribe to the philosophy of the Socialist and liberal members of this forum. These methods have zero chance of working.

All he has to is apply himself in the same way as he does on the economic front, and be tough on law and order - SOME HOPES!

The desire for more effective policing and tougher sentencing is not limited to UKIP and other right wing pressure groups. As someone far closer to centre politics than you, I share your sentiments. However I think your ideology is winning against your common sense. Seven weeks into a new style of government, facing the worst economic crisis for at least sixty years, what exactly do you expect David Cameron to have done? Even his sternest critics acknowledge that he has the political ground running. Give the bloke and the Liberal Conservative Coalition a chance. They are already showing that they have a better grip on economic reality than the last shower of incompetents.

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The desire for more effective policing and tougher sentencing is not limited to UKIP and other right wing pressure groups. As someone far closer to centre politics than you, I share your sentiments. However I think your ideology is winning against your common sense. Seven weeks into a new style of government, facing the worst economic crisis for at least sixty years, what exactly do you expect David Cameron to have done? Even his sternest critics acknowledge that he has the political ground running. Give the bloke and the Liberal Conservative Coalition a chance. They are already showing that they have a better grip on economic reality than the last shower of incompetents.

Agreed!

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The desire for more effective policing and tougher sentencing is not limited to UKIP and other right wing pressure groups. As someone far closer to centre politics than you, I share your sentiments. However I think your ideology is winning against your common sense. Seven weeks into a new style of government, facing the worst economic crisis for at least sixty years, what exactly do you expect David Cameron to have done? Even his sternest critics acknowledge that he has the political ground running. Give the bloke and the Liberal Conservative Coalition a chance. They are already showing that they have a better grip on economic reality than the last shower of incompetents.

On the cause of the economic disaster we are in part agreement. Mr Cameron is doing what needs to be done - but he is only doing half the job. Even coming away from the main thread of yob crime, Mr Cameron should be cutting things in other areas - Afghanistan and overseas aid come to mind, saying nothing of the EU - idealy zero to these overseas projects - our own people must come first. I was talking to a lady yesterday who lost her husband to cancer five years ago for the want of the NHS not being able to meet the cost of drugs to cure him; yet billions is being given away to people who are nothing to do with the UK. Often all that is needed is just a few thousand pounds to meet the cost of these drugs. Is David Cameron going to suggest my ideas at the G8? However, generaly, as you say much better than Brown"s gang - but not the answer, I"m afraid.


Coming back to the thread in question: Can you blame myself and others for being sceptical when Mr Cameron makes statements like "hug a hoodie"? That is why I say he is not the man, or party for the job. The right-wing pressure groups make constructive plans to deal with these applaing crimes that this couple suffered. What did Mr Cameron suggest? Put the price of drinks up in pubs? Why should the vast majority of law abiding people have to put up with that? And why make all under 25s potential criminals by asking them to produce ID for age restricted products - to say nothing of the trouble these people are put to, when they don"t have any - I, myself, when I was FORTY SEVEN, had this done to me, whilst buying a bottle of whisky. Needeless to say, they lost me as customer. All that is needed is appropiate penalties.

You say you know more about center politics than I do - you could be right? However, I know far more about this type of crime than you. I know for sure that measures this goverment is going to use for these type of problems will not work. The only language they understand is brute force. I know this, becuase I have been confronted with these kinds of problems myself. Softly, softly, doesn"t work; you are not dealing with people that subscribe to the Marquis of Queensbury rules - you"re dealing with people that think it"s OK to hound, rob, torture, and kill people, who are, more often as not, totaly defenceless. In short you are dealing with vermin! With resect, Major, do you regulary face these kinds of problems? I would think your neck of the woods would turn up more foxes than yobs - although you never know these days - some say both are vermin.

In short, Mr Cameron seems to be too scared to confront this problem head on. What is needed is tough remand homes, corporal punishment, financial punishments and capital punishment. All these might be possible WITHIN the EU - if Mr Cameron was to make the effort - but why should he? These problems are a million miles away from his home and family. I would be delighted to be proved wrong.

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On the cause of the economic disaster we are in part agreement. Mr Cameron is doing what needs to be done - but he is only doing half the job. Even coming away from the main thread of yob crime, Mr Cameron should be cutting things in other areas - Afghanistan and overseas aid come to mind, saying nothing of the EU - idealy zero to these overseas projects - our own people must come first. I was talking to a lady yesterday who lost her husband to cancer five years ago for the want of the NHS not being able to meet the cost of drugs to cure him; yet billions is being given away to people who are nothing to do with the UK. Often all that is needed is just a few thousand pounds to meet the cost of these. Is David Cameron going to suggest my ideas at the G8? However, generaly, as you say much better than Brown"s gang - but not the answer, I"m afraid.


Coming back to the thread in question: Can you blame myself and others for being sceptical when Mr Cameron makes statements like "hug a hoodie"? That is why I say he is not the man, or party for the job. The right-wing pressure groups make constructive plans to deal with these applaing crimes that this couple suffered. What did MrCameron suggest? Put the price of drinks up in pubs? Why should the vast majority of law abiding people have to put up with that?

You say you know more about center politics than I do - you could be right? However, I know far more about this type of crime than you. I know for sure that measures this goverment is going to use for these type of problems will not work. The only language they understand is brute force. I know this, beacuse I have been confronted with these kinds of problems myself. Softly, softly, doesn"t work; you are not dealing with people that subscribe to the Marquis of Queensbury rules - you"re dealing with people that think it"s OK to hound, torture, and kill people, who are, more often as not, totaly defenceless. In short you are dealing with vermin! Do you regulary face these kinds of problems Major? I would think your neck of the woods would turn up more foxes than yobs - although you never know these days.

In short, Mr Cameron seems to be too scared to confront this problem head on. What is needed is tough remand homes, corporal punishment, financial punishments and capital punishment. All these might be possible WITHIN the EU - if Mr Cameron was to make the effort - but why should he, these problems are a million miles away from his home and family.


I was talking to business friend a couple of days ago[/

When it comes to the yob culture and violent crime so prevalent in Britain today, we are singing off the same hymn sheet. Policing needs to be much more effective. Get the coppers under fifty out on the streets, and away from the station canteen, and those over fifty running the stations and doing the paperwork rather than retiring on a gold plated pension. The courts need to punish rather than excuse young violent thugs, with custodial sentences where they are taught a trade and work for the community to pay for it.

It may be Cameron does end up being too soft on violent crime, but the point I am making is that seven weeks into the government is too soon to make a valid judgment. The same applies to the Afghanistan and Iraq situations, and our relationship within Europe. Lets review it after a year, and see where we are then.

I did not say I knew more about centre politics than you, I said I was closer (in my beliefs) to centre politics than you.

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I don't disagree with your proposed change of thread name at all.
However I DO think you demand too much from an emerging government. They have taken the last 7 weeks to analyse the economic state of affairs, propose solutions and then start steering new legislation through Parliament. That will take time, and needs to be successful. Without economic security nothing else can happen, they must cure the leaks of our money into obscure arrangements set up by the last disastrous Labour government.
Like you I would love to see the police and supporting law deal with the lawlessness which seems to prevail throughout our country. I am quite sure it will happen but it takes time to discuss the problems, how to deal with them, and then enact the legislation.

The usual result from rapid law changes is bad law. The ban on fox hunting is but one example - brought in with excessive haste by New Labour and effectively unworkable; do you want more of that? I hope not.

If necessary come back with your demands in 6 months time, then I may be complaining as much as you are!

Unlikely with "hug a hoodie" I am afraid. Financialy, going in the right direction a little bit better than I thought- and will win through, eventualy (hopefully). However, this thread is about yob crime. Yob crime is much easy than the fox hunting law to implement a law - where the poor old fox was shot instead of being ripped to bits. After all, what would expect from New Labour? In my opnion they could not run a Parish council. As for fox hunting, Major"s the expert there. If you want to know about beating the two-legged vermin, see below!

It doesn"t take a genius to beat the yobs - all it takes is people like myself that know what makes these people tick. All you have to do is show them they can"t win - you know my methods - just work them! If these people sense an impossible situation - they will just run away. Two old age penioners are just about their mark! It"s not like dealing with suicide bombers.

They will attack 6" 3", 15 stone blokes like me, in numbers. But if they ran the risk of being hung, if they killed me, I think you would see a marked drop of fatal and serious incidents. I am afraid, Solmon, I suspect you will be in my camp in 6 months, unfortunately - that is from an urban, city boy, of 50 odd years tried and tested experience. Where I come from Mr Cameron, and people like him, would last about two mins.

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Agreed!

I would like to see this happen - but not with his methods. It would be like trying to beat the Germans with the under 15 Dulwich Hamlet football team on Sunday. The difference with economic problems is that the majority will pay their taxes on time, and the money will be collected; they will moan about it - but the money will be raised. You are dealing with ordinary decent people in the main. With yobs you"re dealing with scum - and they will do the opposite. Yobs will work the system, they know how - ordinary people don"t. Unless we see the measures I have outlined the - this is where they will fail. I was recently talking to business friend who is a tory party activist, and we discussed this subject -and he seemed very vague on this subject - which further tells me we have to look further right for a lasting cure. Certanly with these weak, EU approved methods.

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When it comes to the yob culture and violent crime so prevalent in Britain today, we are singing off the same hymn sheet. Policing needs to be much more effective. Get the coppers under fifty out on the streets, and away from the station canteen, and those over fifty running the stations and doing the paperwork rather than retiring on a gold plated pension. The courts need to punish rather than excuse young violent thugs, with custodial sentences where they are taught a trade and work for the community to pay for it.

It may be Cameron does end up being too soft on violent crime, but the point I am making is that seven weeks into the government is too soon to make a valid judgment. The same applies to the Afghanistan and Iraq situations, and our relationship within Europe. Lets review it after a year, and see where we are then.

I did not say I knew more about centre politics than you, I said I was closer (in my beliefs) to centre politics than you.

Sorry for the misunderstanding, Major. However, with respect, do you really thing after reading NPs post that Mr Camerons methods are really going to work against pond life like that - I already know they won"t. They will just laugh and joke in Court like many high profile cases, before them, as they know nothing will happen to them. In the main, people that look to alternative parties, or parties away from the the main parties, tend to know the problems of society such as this outrage. The center parties tend to be supported by people who are removed from problems such as this, so can afford to be bit more liberal. The business friend, I refered too, is one such person.