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Reply With QuoteI say fair play to him- plus it was kinda funny. Its SKY who are in the wrong here.
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Christian Zionist
There's always some gaffe that goes down in history at the hustings.
This one could be Gordon Browns, when he shows his contempt for the woman he had just spoken to.
It also shows how two faced he is.
Gordon Brown calls campaigner 'bigoted woman' - Telegraph
Jesus said in John 3:17, "For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved."
I say fair play to him- plus it was kinda funny. Its SKY who are in the wrong here.
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Bit of a nightmare for him...or maybe a major nightmare. The strange thing is she was a labour voter and didn't say she wouldn't vote for him again and was even complimentary about some of the things he'd done. She did say she liked tony blair though which must have been like a red rag to a bull to him.
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But Gordon Brown has never been in touch with the 'common man'. Brought up in the protected atmosphere of the manse, the son of a Scottish church minister, is hardly a qualification for identifying with the proletariat. Clegg and Cameron are far more relaxed and able to identify with different viewpoints, despite or perhaps because of, the privileged upbringing of both. A top public school education does of course contribute to being able to communicate with all levels of society, inculcating as it does an appreciation and concern for those well off than oneself.Originally Posted by Barry
I think that Gordon ought to get out and meet more and more disillusioned Labour voters and insult them, especially in the marginals. But then I am a Tory!
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You can't honestly say you've never muttered something under your breath following a forcedly civilised conversation with someone you dislike?
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My experience with meeting people from a public school education (there's plenty of them at my university) would suggest the exact opposite.
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Absolutely true, but then I am not a failed Prime Minister leading a failed government in a desperate attempt to claw another five years in office, one way or another!
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Re: Gordon's gaffe
That is simply because you resent their accents and confidence Jacques. Try harder to overcome your socialist resentments and you may be pleasantly surprised.http://www.politic.co.uk/images/icons/icon12.gif
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But its not SKY who will pay the price!
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It is funny that, with this happening more and more in politics, no one thought to muzzle him immediately he got in the car. Wonder what that noise was that sounded like a blow. Reckon he slapped himself this time?
How on earth is it SKY in the the wrong? Brown said it and it is legitimate news.
I see he's gone back to apologize and the lady refused to be seen with him as he exited her house. He needs to leave well enough alone. I'm begining to wonder if Brown and Joe Biden are brothers separated at birth as both seem to suffer from foot in mouth disease.
I wonder why the things that should be so simple, so natural... like loving someone and letting them see into your heart... should require so much courage?
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That's exactly it major, it's got nothing to do with the fact that they make patronising and ill informed comments about:That is simply because you resent their accents and confidence Jacques. Try harder to overcome your socialist resentments and you may be pleasantly surprised.
a) state school students
b) people from the north
c) the third world
and show a general lack of understanding of how most people live.
My own accent is far from being provincial
PS less use of the 's word' please
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Well if thats what you think then those are good grounds for complaint, but this story is blown completely out of proportion.
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Economic Left/Right: 4.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.74
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It has been blown completely out of proportion, but in a general election campaign based almost entirely on spin and personality, rather than substance and policy, we really shouldn't be surprised if the media sink to the same level as our politicians.
Christian Zionist
No, I can't, but I'm not a Prime Minister on the election trail, am I!
Jesus said in John 3:17, "For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved."
busy body
I do feel it is of interest that he considered the woman who happened to wander in as a plant. She was supposed to have been vetted, schooled and adoring. Also as she herself pointed out afterwards "Why didn't he go into Rochdale where he could have spoken to lots of people who think like me?. There was nobody there. I saw the police cordon and walked in"
There is a marked difference between Camerons reaction to the Mirror chicken and Brown. Cameron was followed back to his bus by the cameras whereupon his only reaction was to say to his wife that he tried to see her. She said she was stuck behind the chicken. When he was caught by a known labour protester on the subject of special schools who was using his child as a lever, Cameron was in no hurry to avoid the question.
I have every confidence that Clegg, like Cameron relishes personal contact with his voters....but then they like the idea of being elected
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The thing is this wasn't a meet the people like the other politicians.
This was orchestrated outside the town, with any contact regulated more than a plant in PMQ's.
it isn't what he said that disgusts me. It is his expectation of just having to go through a motion that others set up for him...also interested in that thumping sound midway....a little Rawnsley back up there?
Oh and Prescott is now saying it was a Murdoch plot!
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...-john-prescott
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Maybe your party's campaign is all spin and personality, but with the debates, I think the other 2 have got across quite a bit of policy and substance to the electorate. Certainly more than they did in 2005. If there was ever a good day to call a member of the public a 'bigot' it was today. This time tommorow it'll all be forgotten. Well, unless someone uses it as the basis of a question of course...
Worst bit of the whole debacle was the painted on smile when delivering the apology. It made him look anything but sincere. But Gordon does struggle with sincere at the best of times...
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Then you are very easily satisfied
So.... the PM must be simultaneously perfect... but also in touch with people and human?
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In my humble opinion, Sky was not in the wrong, when an MP on the campaign trail describes a member of an audience his own party hand picked, as a bigot, then he gets all he deserves. It shows all the lack of judgement that has been displayed by MP's of all ilks over the past year. Bad tempered and desperate, and the blind ignorance that anyone who doesn't agree with him is a plant! Brown is not up to the job of PM.
Just because i'm paranoid, doesn't mean their not after me!!!
SKY have IMO committed a serious offence by broadcasting a private conversation that they had no right to, but of course they will get away with it..... Murdoch must be very chirpy indeed ....just you wait till the glorious day citizen....
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You are a person of extremes. There are many shades of gray between black and white.
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The only person at fault was Brown with his bad temper and bullying personality. Should the human nightmare of your glorious day ever come to pass, of course Sky and any other media which dared to question your views would be suppressed.
Christian Zionist
The most annoying thing for Brown must have been that he could not deny it.
Jesus said in John 3:17, "For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved."
Christian Zionist
In your opinion, maybe, but anyone voluntarily wearing a live News radio microphone has already given their permission for what they are saying to be broadcast. So your opinion is incorrect.
Jesus said in John 3:17, "For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved."
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If we're pointing fingers at the news channels, ITV news broke the 'news' of the bigot remark to Mrs Duffy and then filmed her reaction. She was obviously quite upset, so in a typical display of newsgathering sincerity, they zoomed in on her face and then broadcast it as their lead story on last night's News At Ten.
In the interest of balance, you'd think Sky or ITV would ask her again her views on immigration, just to see if she is a bigot. But no, that doesn't fit their narrative. Don't buy into this bull****, cuz thats all it is
Democracy is the recurrent suspicion that more than half of the people are right more than half of the time.
E. B. White
"To be honest, you think a/c jump the fence, I say the whole college jump the fence"
The wonder that is Angelcountry
"If we're going to have a police state, at least orgainise it properly!"
Guy Outside the Chilcott Enquiry as he was led away by police for causing a 'disturbance' (thanks to LA I now know his name is Michael Culver)
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Good on Gordon, she talks like a bigot, so its fair to call her one.
Why can't Jesus eat M&Ms?
Because they keep falling through the holes in his hands!
Jesus may love you, but he won't respect you in the morning.
The story hasn't finished playing out yet. It may not damage Labour at all.
http://tankthetories.com/wp-content/.../bigotgate.jpgWith rumours of a deal between Gillian Duffy and the Tory tabloids having collapsed, because she refused to endorse Cameron or attack Brown, where does that leave the dear lady?
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Brown doesn't do P.R. he's a gruff Scott political machine who does not connect easily with other people. His advisers know this and should have more aware of the pitfalls of walk abouts, especialy whena pack of journalists from Murdochs Sky were invovled. His gaff was a bad one so near the election, as a labour supporter I would be suprised if his gaff didn't have a real adverse effect on polling figures how much remains to be seen.
Without appearing defeatist think about the following possible scenario after May 6th:
Over the past month it's never looked like Labour would command a majority in the commons, and that a hung parliament a more likely outcome. Even if some potential labour voters find Browns gaff a turn off I would guess that they would not turn to the Tories, they would either not vote or vote for another party Lib Dems being the more likely recipients.
Unless the Tories break the 40% polling barrier they will not win outright which at this moment in time looks unlikely. So even if Labour does drop some points a hung parliament still beckons. This raises the point Clegg made about not serving in a coalition government with Gordon Brown. After this last gaff I doubt if Brown could fight off any effort to remove him, this will seal his fate and any barrier to Lib/Lab coalition would be removed and the Tories would still be H.M. opposition.http://www.politic.co.uk/images/icons/icon5.gif
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All this goes to show it is not just UKIP and the far right who are concerned about the invasion of our shores by immigrants. This lady is a commited Labour supporter, has been all her life; just not afraid to tell Gordon Brown the truth, that he already knows. A multiculture does not work! One brave lady! Certainly shook Gordon up! A national hero in my book!
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Fairly sure her concerns with immigration were purely economic rather than cultural.
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In your a eyes a bigot. A bigot that could well go down in history as costing Labour the 2010 election; and a Labour bigot at that. So, as I say, there is a lot of strong feeling on immigration, from people who support all parties. The only thing all these people have in common is that they live among large numbers of immigrants, and know what the hell they talking about! Pity some of our "do-gooders" don"t!
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Well, I don"t blame her for that, anyway. Although, most people I know of similar background are equally concerned about the erosion of our way of life, the obvious preferential treatment ayslum seekers get and all the crime the east european gangs bring into these communties. I only hope she told Mr Brown where to go.
From today's London Evening Standard:
In other words, Mrs Duffy's not a big enough bigot for the Sun. Bless.[Max] Clifford added: “The Tory press love this story. It would be worth £100,000 to The Sun or the Mail if she was prepared to be critical of Gordon Brown.”
The Sun is understood to have interviewed the grandmother and decided that she has tempered her criticism of Labour too much for her story to be “interesting”.
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There's a lot of disrespect for Mr Brown on this thread. I would be grateful if, rather than referring to him as Gordon, he was referred to as ex-Prime Minister Gordon Brown
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Just another example of the self serving political elite showing they dont give a toss about what anyone thinks. In this case a subject that is taboo to all ,they know very well immigration and the EU are what concerns people,why do they not talk about it ? Or allow others to do so without being branded Racists and bigots.
Politics and polilititions are at an all time low,they do not represent the people,and I include all,they are not fit for purpose,sod the lot of them
Lots of people don't care about this issue, in another poll swept under the carpet by the Sun:
Unpublished YouGov/Sun poll shows support for Gordon Brown over 'bigot' remark | Politics | guardian.co.uk
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Well at least she's only annoyed at Gordon Brown and appears not to want to slag off the Labour Party in the Sun. This gaff has enabled Cameron supporting media to direct their hypocritical attacks at Brown personally which has always been their aim, which is to direct attention away from the Tories slash and burn and ridiculous education policies. Brown handed then a big stick to beat him with at a crucial period in the campaign.
When I go to the polls and put my cross against my Labour candidate I am in effect not voting for Brown but for Labour and party policy. Brown might be the leader at the moment, he could stay or be gone in weeks, but the policy laid down to deal with the crisis will remain, and Labour with all it's faults is the only fire wall between the population and the crazy Tory experimental education policies [also the big money give away to the rich] being introduced at a time when caution in nursing the economy back to health is needed.
It's rumoured that Mrs Duffy has taken up an £80.000 offer of a right wing Sunday newspaper for her story,and good luck to her So at least while her hurt feelings are understandable she can a least put some money in the bank from the affair . Her cancelled trip to Canada will be all the more pleasurable when she takes it. After reflecting on what happened she might even recant and vote Labour. At least that trip to the shops for a loaf of bread became worth while.http://www.politic.co.uk/images/icons/icon12.gif
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Yeah, I'm hearing roughly the same: £90K from the Mail on Sunday. John Stewart on DuffyGate:
Jon Stewart Mocks the Laughable Tameness of British Political Scandals - Jon Stewart - Gawker.TV
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90 grand for getting called a bigot. **** me. I'd let Gordon do loads worse to me for that amount of money. I know hate is a strong word but I ****ing HATE the Daily Mail. This is what they use to try and swing an election!?
****ing parasites they are
Democracy is the recurrent suspicion that more than half of the people are right more than half of the time.
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"To be honest, you think a/c jump the fence, I say the whole college jump the fence"
The wonder that is Angelcountry
"If we're going to have a police state, at least orgainise it properly!"
Guy Outside the Chilcott Enquiry as he was led away by police for causing a 'disturbance' (thanks to LA I now know his name is Michael Culver)
I agree, but don't blame Mrs Duffy for taking the cash. What's she supposed to do? Sure, she's a bit of a bigot - I've talked to Poles about what she said and they roll their eyes. The woman's a bigot, Brown was right. But I couldn't say, hand on heart, that I wouldn't take the cash in her position. If she didn't take the money all her neighbours would laugh at her and call her an idiot.
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Does concern about mass immigration really one a bigot? A friend of mine is from the middle east; he says the UK has a huge immigration problem and the it is noticeably more crowded than many western European nations he's been to. Is he a bigot as well?
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Anybody that dares to mention the "I" word is a bigot.
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Nice work if you can get it! I don"t suppose you know if he"s coming to Portsmouth?
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Not if he's got any sense!
No. It was the way she expressed it. On a bigotry scale of 1-10 I'd give her a 2.
It depends how he talks about it. If he says "There are too many dirty Poles in Britain, messing the place up, generating the stink of pigs' trotters and boiled cabbage" then I'd say yes, he's a bigot. I'd award him a 7.
That's not true. But people who talk about immigration in a bigoted way, e.g. Mrs Duffy, are bigots. Whether it's wise for a PM to mention it, on an open mike, a week before a close election, is another matter. But that doesn't stop the old dear from being a bit of a bigot. It's no big deal: lots of people are bigoted. She struck me as a nice old soul.
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Her language might have been a little clumsy, particularly the use of the verb flocking, but her question gave no indication of her being bigotted.
It was put in way that concerned the use of resources, self-sufficiency and cultural identity, with no derogatory remarks being made about the Eastern Europeans. I can't recall ever having heard any derogatory remarks having been made about Eastern European immigrants in any discussion I have been involved with / overheard; I think a culture has been created in this country, in part by the Labour party and those on the political left, where any discussion regarding immigration is linked to intolerance. Being concerned about immigration, or rather the effects of immigration, is far from racist or bigotted - unfortunately that appears to be something Gordon Brown is unaware of.It depends how he talks about it. If he says "There are too many dirty Poles in Britain, messing the place up, generating the stink of pigs' trotters and boiled cabbage" then I'd say yes, he's a bigot. I'd award him a 7.
I expect that only those who know Mrs Duffy well would know whether she is a bigot or not, and it could be that her choice of words was the result of a slightly limited vocabulary and / or being overwhelmed / under pressure from being in the presence of the Prime Minister and surrounded by the national press. In calling Mrs Duffy a bigot, Brown showed his contempt for the voting public (he must have been aware the immigration is a major concern and election issue) and a mind-set that is very popular with those of the left:that any concerns regarding immigration are motivated by racism.
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Anybody that dares to mention the "I" word is a bigot.
That's not true. But people who talk about immigration in a bigoted way, e.g. Mrs Duffy, are bigots. Whether it's wise for a PM to mention it, on an open mike, a week before a close election, is another matter. But that doesn't stop the old dear from being a bit of a bigot. It's no big deal: lots of people are bigoted. She struck me as a nice old soul.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iEoeCJXEtM
Ha ha ha ha!
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That"s what I mean! Your not allowed to critise them, or say anything negative, even. That"s not democracy! Frankly, I would be far more sympathetic to Mrs Duffy, than yours or Gordon Browns"s, she lives among the problem of mass immigration; poor woman juat votes for the wrong party. Where does Gordon Brown live? Certainly not in a area like Mrs Duffy"s. It would be interesting to see where our Gordon retires too. A £5 million mansion perhaps, with a tree-lined avenue. Or he might move out of the country altogether. Where ever he ends up, he won"t have the problems Mrs Duffy has to put up with. So, Gordon, untill you know what you"re talking about - DON"T CALL PEOPLE BIGOTS! Espeacialy your own voters, and espeacialy on national TV And that goes for anybody else as well.
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Shame! 90K wouldn"t go a miss.
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