Can Conservatives-Liberals revive UK's last Great Era with Lloyd George-Churchil ?

[Horizon]

Can Conservatives-Liberals deal revive UK's last Great Era with Lloyd George-Churchil ?

Among various political combinations in the 2010 UK Elections, if Conservatives don't get a sufficient Majority at Westminster, many speak about a Conservatives - Lib. Dem. possible deal, which could ally Change and Stability.

But, in fact, this could mean real Change only if a new Conservative-Liberal Majority (almost as since 9/2009 in Germany, etc) succeeds to find the Spirit of the last Great Era in the History of the UK, that of famous former Prime Ministers Lloyd George and Winston Churchil : That exceptional period has notoriously marked History with a Double Victory in World Wars I and II, as well as with the creation of the "Welfare State" and Investment in High-Tech. innovation, related to Industry and Defence.

It was the last great moment when UK still played a 1st rank role in International developments, before it was overshadowed by the U.S., (since the middle of WW II). When Lloyd George and Winston Churchil worked together, (at the head of a Conservative-Liberal Govermental Coalition), they succeeded to lead together at the 1st and Unique Victory of purely European forces in a World War : that of 1919, and that made them very Popular then. It's during that Historic period also, that both Lloyd George and Winston Churchil became famous for opposing the retrograde Turkish Militarists' attacks, both at the Aegean Sea and in Arab Countries, becoming popular also among various other People and Nations which were notoriously oppressed by the former Ottoman Empire :

- Already in 1914, Winston Churchil, famous for advocating Brittish supremacy in modern Naval Forces, succeeded to seize 2 Warships destinated to the Ottoman Turks, and use them for the Royal Navy to face German attacks at World War I. (Earlier, the Young Churchil attempted to travel to report and, if necessary, fight in the Greco-Turkish War of 1897 for the liberation of the island of Crete from the declining former Ottoman Empire, but this conflict ended before he could arrive).

- Winston Churchil saved at least the Moral Honour of Great Britain also by leading the Galipoli and Dardanelles campaign of the British Army facing the Turks on 1915, at the very moment of the Armenian Genocide, (See, f.ex. : Aghet Ein V ).

- During the 1916-1918/9 Arab revolt against the Ottoman-Turc Occupation, Winston Churchil, who was then Minister for the Middle East, sends the famous T.E. Lawrence, (that Director David Lean pictured with Peter O'Toole at the World Famous 1962 Film "Lawrence of Arabia", which won many Awards and Prizes, incluing 7 Oscars), to help the Arab Peoples to succesfully organize their Liberation struggle vis a vis Turkey's Military.

- Churchil was also an important State Secetary in Lloyd George's famous 1st World War Winner Coalition Goverment of 1918-1922, when the Brittish Prime Minister threatened Turkey with a Delaration of War, both by the UK and the Commonwealth, if the Turkish Army attacked the Brittish Soldiers who safeguarded the Dardanelles International straights, (while Greeks were massacrated by the Turks at nearby Smyrne/Izmir, Constantinople/Istanbul, etc. that same year of 1922).

But Lloyd George, who was until then so Popular, (particularly after winning the 1st World War, establishing the "Welfare State" and funding UK's investments in High-Tech. Industry and Defence), that many said that "he could stay Prime Minister for all his Life", was, suddenly, during 1922, slandered and personaly defamed by rumours about so-called financial scandals, his strong European stance vis a vis Turkey was bluntly opposed from the American continent inside the Commonwealth by Canada in 1922, and his Government was betrayed by a number of MPs changing colors after a meeting at an hotel behind closed doors...

Churchil and Lloyd George were evicted from Government after the 1922 clash on Turkey (supported by the American continent : See above), and spend many Years at the margins of the Political Life, (Churchil was even evicted out of Westminster, failing twice to be elected, and faced Health problems)...

After this last attempt by Great Britain's Government to oppose Turkey in Europe, which was slamed by a pro-Turkish interference from the American Continent, overseas, neither the UK, nor the rest of Europe, didn't ever find any way to control themselves the situation in the old continent, which started to be notoriously monitored from abroad, by the U.S.A., during the 2nd World War and its aftermath, the "Cold War", which provoked many Destructions and Divisions throughout all Europe, subordinated since then into a 2nd-class area compared to America.

In fact, the American 1922 pro-Turkish stance arranged also the interests of .. former USSR's Stalin, who had just decided to make a pact with Turkey at the Caucasus, throwing a growing number of Turkish troops against the European soldiers (led by the U.K., France, Italy and Greece) at the coasts of the Aegean Sea :

Thus, Stalin practically saved a part of the declining former Ottoman - Turk Empire from total Collapse, and threw it against Europe, in a GeoPolitical and Cultural conflict which persists until Today, undermining the Western camp with weakening Tensions (f.ex. even inside NATO, as the 2009 Blockade of the NATO Summit by Turkey proved, in addition to Turkey's "Veto" against NATO - EU cooperation, from Kosovo up to Afghanistan, etc). Stalin's cynical calculation (to weaken the Western coalition by throwing them a troublesome Turkish banana-skin) proved, unfortunately, right..

Contrary to the Lloyd George - Winston Churchil brave Historic attitude (See above), the "New Labour" Tony Blair and Gordon Brown's controversial stance vis a vis Turkey, merely followed, copied and aggravated the American desiderata, (that paradoxically coincided with Stalin's cynical pro-Turkish stance back in 1922 : See above), which notoriously are to weaken European Countries by throwing against them an oppressive, anti-democratic, retrograde and under-developed Asiatic Turkey, whose controversial EU - bid has become increasingly Unpopular among Brittish and other EU Citizens :

- Proof is the unexpected Big Electoral Win of the UKIP. Party in the June 2009 European Elections, when Nigel Farage succeeded to become, for the 1st time in History, the No 2 Party Leader in the UK, getting more Votes than the Lib-Dems and even more than the Labour party, arriving just after the Conservatives, immediately after he decided to focus UKIP's 2009 Electoral Campaign on the Popular "No to Turkey's Accession to the EU".

But now, (with the only, partial exception, perhaps, of Boris Johnson, and of some healthy Criticism on laxist Immigration policies and Human Trafficking through Turkey, etc), WHO will be able to revitalize anew the winning Historic Spirit of Lloyd George - Winston Churchil, which "ruled the waves" and had succeeded to become so Popular at the Last Era of Greatness for the U.K. (and all Europe) ?

David Cameron and/or Nick Clegg, with the help of some of their Friends, will they find a strong enough Historic Conscience, Knowledge and Inspiration at Lloyd George and Winston Churchil to bring a real Change from "Bliar's" dark era, as Citizens' 2009 votes proved what British People want ?

(See above).

[Streetwalker]

Erm.....No

[Barry]

Welcome to the forum.
I haven't read your post because it is a presentational nightmare, sorry.

[Horizon]

Erm.....No

Why ?

In fact, recent facts (See above) proved that the British People can become much more Conscious of what is really at stake, than some used to think in the Past.

Is it fatal to be condemned to an endless "Bliar"/Brown and bitter dark era, with impopular Turkey, dangerous restrictions on Democratic Freedoms, worsening Immigration problems, less Education and Health systems, risky genetic manipulations on Human Embryos, Children's cadavers and/or blood found hidden in Hospitals, Clonning, Bloody Killing of critical Expert Dr. Kelly, Torture and People (including young british soldiers) killed at Iraq, a declining Economy, etc. ?

[Horizon]

Welcome to the forum.
I haven't read your post because it is a presentational nightmare, sorry.

Hi Barry, thanks for the welcome.

The format of out text had been curiously destroyed by a strange interference here, but now we put it back on track, and looks OK.

May be some thought that it's political criticism pointed at some "too hot" issues, going well beyond the usual migmar ?

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[Horizon]

Thank you Midas for your welcome, and useful, practical info.

Sorry fpr not replying longer, here and/or elsewhere, but, as you are particularly well placed to know, after what happened today, (added to various other events), exceptionally today, there is NO TIME even for a word more than what is strictly necessary (Comp. other new message+).

So, => RDV for the Future !

[Horizon]

Shortly after Publication on UK Vote and Turkey's EU bid Critics, Farage hit by Air crash !
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Incredible, but true FACT :

- Only a few Hours after we published a pre-Electoral political text observing that British People proved what it really wants by massively voting against Turkey's controversial EU bid when a previously marginal party as Nigel Farage's UKIP for the 1st time took up this moto as a Headline issue for its June 2009 EU Parliament's Elections, and immediately became No 2, oveshadowing in Votes the LibDems and even the Labour traditional parties, ..

.... suddenbly, one of the sharpest critics of Turkey's controverial EU bid, Nigel Farage himself, was hit and gravely wounded in a violent, unprecedented and unexplained Air incident , (Not in Africa, but just over the Buckingham Palace in London !), brought unconscious at an Hospital, etc. !!!...

This fact (and what is at stake) inevitably reminds what we had already observed, at this same text, that the Historic former Brittish Prime Ministers Lloyd George and Winston Churchil, had been suddenly personally slandered, obliged to quit from Government, and wiped out of politics for years, (Churchil falling even ill), shortly after they dared warnTurkey that if it attacked the British Soldiers who were protecting the International Dardanelles Straits, Ankara would face a Declaration of War from the UK and all the Commonwealth, on 1922 (i.e. shortly after the Massacre of Greeks, Armenians, etc. at nearby Smyrne/Izmir, etc).

Here are the 2 crucial Points from the larger Publication we had made at the eve of 2010 UK Elections and of this unprecedented Air crash gravely wounding a Politician the very day of the Vote :

... ontrary to the Lloyd George - Winston Churchil brave Historic attitude (See above), the "New Labour" Tony Blair and Gordon Brown's controversial stance vis a vis Turkey, merely followed, copied and aggravated the American desiderata, (that paradoxically coincided with Stalin's cynical pro-Turkish stance back in 1922 : See above), which notoriously are to weaken European Countries by throwing against them an oppressive, anti-democratic, retrograde and under-developed Asiatic Turkey, whose controversial EU - bid has become increasingly Unpopular among Brittish and other EU Citizens :

- Proof is the unexpected Big Electoral Win of the UKIP. Party in the June 2009 European Elections, when Nigel Farage succeeded to become, for the 1st time in History, the No 2 Party Leader in the UK, getting more Votes than the Lib-Dems and even more than the Labour party, arriving just after the Conservatives, immediately after he decided to focus UKIP's 2009 Electoral Campaign on the Popular "No to Turkey's Accession to the EU".

But now, (with the only, partial exception, perhaps, of Boris Johnson, and of some healthy Criticism on laxist Immigration policies and Human Trafficking through Turkey, etc), WHO will be able to revitalize anew the winning Historic Spirit of Lloyd George - Winston Churchil, which "ruled the waves"; and had succeeded to become so Popular at the Last Era of Greatness for the U.K. (and all Europe) ?

David Cameron and/or Nick Clegg, with the help of some of their Friends, will they find a strong enough Historic Conscience, Knowledge and Inspiration at Lloyd George and Winston Churchil to bring a real Change from "Bliar's" dark era, as Citizens' 2009 votes proved what British People want ?

This point followed a Previous one :

... - Churchil was also an important State Secetary in Lloyd George's famous 1st World War Winner Coalition Goverment of 1918-1922, when the Brittish Prime Minister threatened Turkey with a Delaration of War, both by the UK and the Commonwealth, if the Turkish Army attacked the Brittish Soldiers who safeguarded the Dardanelles International straights, (while Greeks were massacrated by the Turks at nearby Smyrne/Izmir, Constantinople/Istanbul, etc. that same year of 1922).

But Lloyd George, who was until then so Popular, (particularly after winning the 1st World War, establishing the "Welfare State" and funding UK's investments in High-Tech. Industry and Defence), that many said that "he could stay Prime Minister for all his Life", was, suddenly, during 1922, slandered and personaly defamed by rumours about so-called financial scandals, his strong European stance vis a vis Turkey was bluntly opposed from the American continent inside the Commonwealth by Canada in 1922, and his Government was betrayed by a number of MPs changing colors after a meeting at an hotel behind closed doors...

Churchil and Lloyd George were evicted from Government after the 1922 clash on Turkey (supported by the American continent : See above), and spend many Years at the margins of the Political Life, (Churchil was even evicted out of Westminster, failing twice to be elected, and faced Health problems)...

After this last attempt by Great Britain's Government to oppose Turkey in Europe, which was slamed by a pro-Turkish interference from the American Continent, overseas, neither the UK, nor the rest of Europe, didn't ever find any way to control themselves the situation in the old continent, which started to be notoriously monitored from abroad, by the U.S.A., during the 2nd World War and its aftermath, the "Cold War", which provoked many Destructions and Divisions throughout all Europe, subordinated since then into a 2nd-class area compared to America.

In fact, the American 1922 pro-Turkish stance arranged also the interests of .. former USSR's Stalin, who had just decided to make a pact with Turkey at the Caucasus, throwing a growing number of Turkish troops against the European soldiers (led by the U.K., France, Italy and Greece) at the coasts of the Aegean Sea :

Thus, Stalin practically saved a part of the declining former Ottoman - Turk Empire from total Collapse, and threw it against Europe, in a GeoPolitical and Cultural conflict which persists until Today, undermining the Western camp with weakening Tensions (f.ex. even inside NATO, as the 2009 Blockade of the NATO Summit by Turkey proved, in addition to Turkey's "Veto" against NATO - EU cooperation, from Kosovo up to Afghanistan, etc). Stalin's cynical calculation (to weaken the Western coalition by throwing them a troublesome Turkish banana-skin) proved, unfortunately, right..

Given these FACTS, (of 1922 and 2010), the Question inevitably raised is obvious :

>>> Are we living a kind of ...REMAKE of the 1922 Dark events, which marked the End of UK's (and all European Countries') Last Great Era, (that of Lloyd George-Winston Churchil) ?

=> And, what will the British People do today, May 6, when they Vote ? Will they let any other dark sly network Manipulate Great Britain (and all Europe), mutatis mutandis , almost as it did back in 1922, (See above) ?
Or, will British People succeed to find the Consciousness and a way to STAND UP in front of a real Challenge today, as it has already done several times during its Glorious Past History ?!