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    The country is being held to ransom by the liberals.

    The people of the UK voted comprehensively for the conservatives to run our country and by doing so they sent Gordon Brown a clear message, labour get out of no 10 ASAP.
    The liberals are pirates of the political parties and after the negotiations with conservatives looking to be unclear.
    David Cameron please go it alone we the nation will back you to the hilt, remember you got the most votes, so go for it.

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    Re: The country is being held to ransom by the liberals.

    Quote Originally Posted by raymort View Post
    The people of the UK voted comprehensively for the conservatives to run our country and by doing so they sent Gordon Brown a clear message, labour get out of no 10 ASAP.
    Did they, comprehensively, a boatload couldn't even get to the stations in time!
    The liberals are pirates of the political parties and after the negotiations with conservatives looking to be unclear.
    Well that's FPTP for you, Clegg was always going to be king maker but the electorate comprehensively didn't trust the Tories quite enough to give then free reign.
    David Cameron please go it alone we the nation will back you to the hilt, remember you got the most votes, so go for it.
    Speak for yourself, if that's gonna be his attitude then he will have to address the fact that is the crux of the argument for Google Page Ranking.
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    Re: The country is being held to ransom by the liberals.

    I'm a bit confused...politicians keep telling me what the voters said and it seems to bear little resemblence to reality. Who are these talkative yet completely delusional voters of which they speak? and can we shoot them for sport?

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    Re: The country is being held to ransom by the liberals.

    Quote Originally Posted by raymort View Post
    The people of the UK voted comprehensively for the conservatives to run our country and by doing so they sent Gordon Brown a clear message, labour get out of no 10 ASAP.
    The liberals are pirates of the political parties and after the negotiations with conservatives looking to be unclear.
    David Cameron please go it alone we the nation will back you to the hilt, remember you got the most votes, so go for it.
    Actually the people of England voted overwhelmingly for a Conservative Government. It was the tartan cross-dressers from the dependent nation north of the border who thwarted the will of the English.
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    Re: The country is being held to ransom by the liberals.

    Quote Originally Posted by Major Sinic View Post
    Actually the people of England voted overwhelmingly for a Conservative Government. It was the tartan cross-dressers from the dependent nation north of the border who thwarted the will of the English.
    Correct! But now it has happened lets get on and see a positive government in action!

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    Re: The country is being held to ransom by the liberals.

    Quote Originally Posted by raymort View Post
    David Cameron please go it alone we the nation will back you to the hilt, remember you got the most votes, so go for it.
    This is clearly now not going to happen. I am personally delighted in that as they would not have lasted very long. I see signs of a very satisfactory working relationship developing between Tories and LibDems and hope this continues. Some of the more extreme Tory plans will not now go ahead - changes to Inheritance tax for example - and look forward to more moderate policies being applied with which the British public will feel a measure of agreement.
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    Re: The country is being held to ransom by the liberals.

    Quote Originally Posted by soloman View Post
    This is clearly now not going to happen. I am personally delighted in that as they would not have lasted very long. I see signs of a very satisfactory working relationship developing between Tories and LibDems and hope this continues. Some of the more extreme Tory plans will not now go ahead - changes to Inheritance tax for example - and look forward to more moderate policies being applied with which the British public will feel a measure of agreement.
    My sentiments exactly. I believe the intent is there from all the prime movers of this coalition, for this government to put the country first. I pray that the intent can be transformed into action, and that this Liberal Conservative government will have the strength of purpose and the courage of their convictions to face up to and resolve the massive economic nightmare handed to them by the outgoing administration. In many areas they are going to be damned if they do and damned if they don't.

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    Re: The country is being held to ransom by the liberals.

    37% is not comprehensive and nor is it a majority, you only have to compare it to previous tory wins to see how underwhelming it has been for them.

    But I think the country has gotten what it asked for, the two parties who have gone up in popularity from this campaign are running the country. This government was guaranteed to be unpopular before the election considering the size of the deficit which needs to be reduced; I just hope we are left with a good impression of coalition governments.

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    Re: The country is being held to ransom by the liberals.

    If you interpret the result of the election as a collective whole and not as individually cast votes then the country did not comprehensively vote Tory. However to have excluded the majority of English voters (who did vote conclusively conservative) would've been a colossal mistake. The apparent conviction of Cameron to make this work despite the obstacles is highly commendable, its obvious the greatest hurdles will have to be overcome from within the ranks of the two parties. (In other words the die hard fringe members whose entrenched personal values are clearly more important than the national interest ). On the point of electoral reform, if the current system is unfair to the lib dems, surely its also unfair to English voters as Welsh, Irish and Scottish votes directly influence our lives but the reverse is not true. Why is this not mentioned or regarded as unfair?
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    Re: The country is being held to ransom by the liberals.

    Quote Originally Posted by Graveland View Post
    If you interpret the result of the election as a collective whole and not as individually cast votes then the country did not comprehensively vote Tory. However to have excluded the majority of English voters (who did vote conclusively conservative) would've been a colossal mistake. The apparent conviction of Cameron to make this work despite the obstacles is highly commendable, its obvious the greatest hurdles will have to be overcome from within the ranks of the two parties. (In other words the die hard fringe members whose entrenched personal values are clearly more important than the national interest ). On the point of electoral reform, if the current system is unfair to the lib dems, surely its also unfair to English voters as Welsh, Irish and Scottish votes directly influence our lives but the reverse is not true. Why is this not mentioned or regarded as unfair?
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    Re: The country is being held to ransom by the liberals.

    The Tories Got 6% more than Labour in Britian. If it was just English Voters it would have been lower but not that dramaticlly, the other countries don't have many constituences to vote in. Im for each country having internal soverienty and a British government for the rest but to blame the Tory failure on it is scape goating.
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    Re: The country is being held to ransom by the liberals.

    Quote Originally Posted by Robin Edward Putland View Post
    The Tories Got 6% more than Labour in Britian. If it was just English Voters it would have been lower but not that dramaticlly, the other countries don't have many constituences to vote in. Im for each country having internal soverienty and a British government for the rest but to blame the Tory failure on it is scape goating.
    Actually Robin if it had been just English voters, the Conservatives would have obtained a very substantial overall majority. There are over fifty constituencies in Scotland alone, and remember that Scottish MPs vote on English issues, but English MPs are not allowed to vote on Scottish issues.

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    Re: The country is being held to ransom by the liberals.

    Quote Originally Posted by Major Sinic View Post
    Actually Robin if it had been just English voters, the Conservatives would have obtained a very substantial overall majority. There are over fifty constituencies in Scotland alone, and remember that Scottish MPs vote on English issues, but English MPs are not allowed to vote on Scottish issues.
    I think we win the argument here sir *salutes*. Interesting how others are all for Google Page Ranking unless it is in the interest of the English Conversative.

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    Re: The country is being held to ransom by the liberals.

    Quote Originally Posted by Major Sinic View Post
    Actually Robin if it had been just English voters, the Conservatives would have obtained a very substantial overall majority. There are over fifty constituencies in Scotland alone, and remember that Scottish MPs vote on English issues, but English MPs are not allowed to vote on Scottish issues.
    If its just the English vote its a massive slide to 11%, how crushing after 13 years. The tories would have gained more seats but not a vast majority.
    I believe that each country should have full internal soverienty and vote in a perpose built british parliment on United Kingdom issues so that won't happen.
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    Re: The country is being held to ransom by the liberals.

    Quote Originally Posted by Graveland View Post
    I think we win the argument here sir *salutes*. Interesting how others are all for Google Page Ranking unless it is in the interest of the English Conversative.
    Well thats the left for you putting democray before party power, strange concept to you I see.
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    Re: The country is being held to ransom by the liberals.

    Quote Originally Posted by Robin Edward Putland View Post
    Well thats the left for you putting democray before party power, strange concept to you I see.

    HAHA how laughable your statement is. The Labour party are a party of the left I think we would both agree and correct me if i'm wrong but haven't they been scorching the public purse for the last six months (maybe longer) with the express intent of sabotaging the (now) Conservative government's position by attempting to turn the electorate against them as they grapple with the deficit. And if the left put DEMOCRACY before power why couldn't the lib dems and labour come to a coalition or otherwise agreement to share power? Or did the issue of POWER get in the way?

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    Is there any point in discussing what this government can and can't do as the Laws are made in Brussels and the government might as well be renamed a counsil within the EU
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    Re: The country is being held to ransom by the liberals.

    Quote Originally Posted by Graveland View Post
    haven't they been scorching the public purse for the last six months (maybe longer) with the express intent of sabotaging the (now) Conservative government's position by attempting to turn the electorate against them as they grapple with the deficit.
    Well no, that would mean they gave up all hope of winning the election and would rather destroy the country than be in opposition (which is rediculously childish and vindictive) seeing as most people from all parties go in to politics to make their country better according to their ideologies.
    That rumor was started by the Tories as a standard political starting attack on the newly out of power, Gordon said it about the Tories when labour got in.
    Quote Originally Posted by Graveland View Post
    And if the left put DEMOCRACY before power why couldn't the lib dems and labour come to a coalition or otherwise agreement to share power? Or did the issue of POWER get in the way?
    No the Labour party back benchers said they had lost the election so didn't want to go into power for the sake of it and would rather be in opposition, putting democray before power.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fubar View Post
    Is there any point in discussing what this government can and can't do as the Laws are made in Brussels and the government might as well be renamed a counsil within the EU
    We still have soverienty and there barely any powers given to Brussels, so there is a point in discussing it.
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