Why didn't you vote UKIP?

[Tootrue]

I did. Nigel Farange seems to me to be the only honest politician out there. They have a mainfesto that spells out exactly how to get out of the mess we are in and the first step is saving millions a day by leaving the EU. So why didn't you vote UKIP?

[uncon]

Hi

I didn't vote UKIP because I am interested in politics, economics and social cohesion. Should I ever desert my principles then I may voke for Farage and his policies...my children are under instruction to section me in that case...shame Nigels aren't

[octopus]

Spot on! I think we will be hearing a lot more from Nigel Farage over the next few years - as will we of UKIP. The winning two parties may have huge financial support, but in the long run doomed to failure, just like Gordon Brown and his gang. True, a step in the right direction, but very limp on all major issues. I think people want what UKIP have to offer, but in a lot of cases scared to put their cross where their mouth is.

What a lot of people dont know is that UKIP are very strong on a lot more issues than the appalling £45 million a day waste on the EU. Many millions of people think it"s a wasted vote - the right -wing press were saying this. But, hey! If you want serious change, you have to step out of your comfort zone, and vote for it. Cameron and Glegg are doomed like Gordon Brown was. I say that because they are weak and out of touch, but enjoy the support, and sponsorship of the rich and famous who don"t live in the world of the masses. I am proud to say I did vote UKIP! I also help sponsor them as well

UKIP have the answers for the future - the top three live in the past. All I think they need to do is sell this to people more. They are a democratic party with a lot to offer Britain of the future: From law and order to education. From immigration to taxation. From massive savings from pulling out of the EU to re-investing in the NHS. In short, everything the elected LIBERAL goverment isn"t. In my opnion they will be in goverment within ten years. Why do I say that? Because Labour are finished and "do-gooder" Nick and "hug a hoodie" David don"t really understand the masses. Eventually society will realise this - and UKIP"s potential.

[joethfc]

Farage only seems honest because he has no power and therefore nothing to lie about

As far as I can see UKIP are like the tories but more to the right - isn't that why Kilroy left?

[uncon]

Spot on! I think we will be hearing a lot more from Nigel Farage over the next few years - as will we of UKIP. The winning two parties may have huge financial support, but in the long run doomed to failure, just like Gordon Brown and his gang. True, a step in the right direction, but very limp on all major issues. I think people want what UKIP have to offer, but in a lot of cases scared to put their cross where their mouth is.

What a lot of people dont know is that UKIP are very strong on a lot more issues than the appalling £45 million a day waste on the EU. Many millions of people think it"s a wasted vote - the right -wing press were saying this. But, hey! If you want serious change, you have to step out of your comfort zone, and vote for it. Cameron and Glegg are doomed like Gordon Brown was. I say that because they are weak and out of touch, but enjoy the support, and sponsorship of the rich and famous who don"t live in the world of the masses. I am proud to say I did vote UKIP! I also help sponsor them as well

UKIP have the answers for the future - the top three live in the past. All I think they need to do is sell this to people more. They are a democratic party with a lot to offer Britain of the future: From law and order to education. From immigration to taxation. From massive savings from pulling out of the EU to re-investing in the NHS. In short, everything the elected LIBERAL goverment isn"t. In my opnion they will be in goverment within ten years. Why do I say that? Because Labour are finished and "do-gooder" Nick and "hug a hoodie" David don"t really understand the masses. Eventually society will realise this - and UKIP"s potential.

So basically we are all very stupid and you have to sell us what you see to be common sense.

Good luck with that message while Farage offends the only people he is able to talk to politically.

[Midas]

I did. Nigel Farange seems to me to be the only honest politician out there. They have a mainfesto that spells out exactly how to get out of the mess we are in and the first step is saving millions a day by leaving the EU. So why didn't you vote UKIP?

I'd hardly say that Farage was honest, but leaving that aside, whilst I firmly believe that the UK should pull out of the EU, UKIP are a one horse party and have zero experience of government. That was the reason I, and undoubtedly many millions of others who have no love for the EU, didn't vote for them.

[octopus]

So basically we are all very stupid and you have to sell us what you see to be common sense.

Good luck with that message while Farage offends the only people he is able to talk to politically.

Frankly, Uncon, you voting UKIP would be like me voting Gay Liberal. Seriously, I wouldn"t say people are stupid. As Midas says UKIP have no experience of goverment, and obviously that makes people nervous but niether have the Lib-Dems, who are now part of the coalition. As I say the Liberal alliance is doomed to failure. It is doomed to failure because they can"t connect with the people:

They can"t see that people want strong law and order.
They can"t see that people want mass immigration stopped.
They can"t see that people are fed up with billions of pounds being given away away to black dictators.
They can"t see that £45 millon a day to the EU is a waste.
They think the people are stupid, by denying them referendums on all major issues.

I could go on for hours about the lack of knowledge the all the main parties have. True, they are attempting to address some of these issues - but very half-hearted measures, compared to UKIP. We live in a society that won"t send back potential murderers back to their homeland, in case they are executed or tortured. What "Hug a hoodie" cameron and "do-gooder" Glegg don"t realise is we the public, couldn"t give two hoots about scum like this. If this fate befalls them - that is a matter for Pakistan, not a matter for the UK goverment.

I don"t think of this election of 2010 as defeat. With MR cameron having a purge on the right, to appease his Liberal pals, where are the right-wingers going to go. The election of June 2015, I think will be very different, I believe. UKP will have more expertise, more money and more high profile names; let us not forget they have been formed less than 20 years, and came second in last years Euro election. Also, let us not forget the people are not hungry enough yet. Ok, I think this adminstration with it"s economic measures is a step in the right direction, but not cure you have to look elsewhere for that. Mr Farage, may speak his mind, but that is what we need. Not a neutered leader like Cameron, who"s liberal, not a Tory. As I say within ten years you will see I am right. Not because I know anymore, but that is how things have worked, throughout history.

[Opinionated]

They can"t see that people want strong law and order.
They can"t see that people want mass immigration stopped.
They can"t see that people are fed up with billions of pounds being given away away to black dictators.
They can"t see that £45 millon a day to the EU is a waste.

Oh Octopus, you do seem to love an inductive argument so! This is a list of things you want, the overwhelming evidence is that "the people" don't want it, at least quite as much as you, otherwise they'd vote UKIP too wouldn't they?

They think the peopleare stupid, by denying them referendums on all major issues.

Generally people are stupid, they like to think that what they see as "common sense", invariably an over simplistic 'solution' to a problem, is the only way and are incapable of fully comprehending the knock on effects of any policy. They also tend to panic when in a voting booth - how much more so if a referendum on any issue actually gives all the available choices? That being said, I like the idea of referenda very much and look forward to a day when the British public are informed enough (ie don't form opinions based on a one sided appeal to emotion via The Daily Fail!) to actually make considered choices en mass.

I could go on for hours about the lack of knowledge the all the main parties have. True, they are attempting to address some of these issues - but very half-hearted measures, compared to UKIP. We live in a society that won"t send back potential murderers back to their homeland, in case they are executed or tortured. What "Hug a hoodie" cameron and "do-gooder" Glegg don"t realise is we the public, couldn"t give two hoots about scum like this. If this fate befalls them - that is a matter for Pakistan, not a matter for the UK goverment.

Again you attribute your view (and I agree that many others hold it too) to everyone, it's just not not true, but this thread is why UKIP are seen as something of a joke not about deportation so I'll save my views on that for a different thread. Why don't people vote UKIP, many for one reason alone - Farage.

I don"t think of this election of 2010 as defeat. With MR cameron having a purge on the right, to appease his Liberal pals, where are the right-wingers going to go. The election of June 2015, I think will be very different, I believe. UKP will have more expertise, more money and more high profile names; let us not forget they have been formed less than 20 years, and came second in last years Euro election.

More expertise at what, riding the Brussels gravy train? This is the other problem people have with UKIP, started as a party committed to pulling out of Europe they then proceed to enjoy every second of being part of it, that smells a lot like hypocrisy to a lot of people. Whether you consider Sinn Féin, a terrorist group or a sell out, what you can say for them is they used the democratic process to make their point by never setting foot in Westminster.

...As I say within ten years you will see I am right. Not because I know anymore, but that is how things have worked, throughout history.

Sorry for snip! Can you give us an example of where history has 'worked out' like that? I'm still waiting for "river's of blood" and generally speaking we still rub along OK together and it's been over thirty years since Powell made that prediction!

[octopus]

Oh Octopus, you do seem to love an inductive argument so! This is a list of things you want, the overwhelming evidence is that "the people" don't want it, at least quite as much as you, otherwise they'd vote UKIP too wouldn't they?
Generally people are stupid, they like to think that what they see as "common sense", invariably an over simplistic 'solution' to a problem, is the only way and are incapable of fully comprehending the knock on effects of any policy. They also tend to panic when in a voting booth - how much more so if a referendum on any issue actually gives all the available choices? That being said, I like the idea of referenda very much and look forward to a day when the British public are informed enough (ie don't form opinions based on a one sided appeal to emotion via The Daily Fai !) to actually make considered choices en mass.

Again you attribute your view (and I agree that many others hold it too) to everyone, it's just not not true, but this thread is why UKIP are seen as something of a joke not about deportation so I'll save my views on that for a different thread. Why don't people vote UKIP, many for one reason alone - Farage.

More expertise at what, riding the Brussels gravy train? This is the other problem people have with UKIP, started as a party committed to pulling out of Europe they then proceed to enjoy every second of being part of it, that smells a lot like hypocrisy to a lot of people. Whether you consider Sinn Féin, a terrorist group or a sell out, what you can say for them is they used the democratic process to make their point by never setting foot in Westminster.
Sorry for snip! Can you give us an example of where history has 'worked out' like that? I'm still waiting for "river's of blood" and generally speaking we still rub along OK together and it's been over thirty years since Powell made that prediction!

As I say UKIP is only a small party at present so can"t compete with the top 3 - out of touch as they are. The top three have very large support that is true. However, putting aside the tory elite academics, "do-gooders", and people such as Cameron, who have as much idea of life, as I do about ballet dancing, there is huge support for UKIP - I KNOW, I MEET THEM EVERYDAY! Whether you like it or not, people do want tradtional values, such as I have mentioned. Afterall, you can"t compete with millionare sponsors who put their purse before their priciples; will they live among all the negativity I have mentioned in my posts.

You asked for an example. I can give a much better example than Mr Powell. Adolf Hitler. That is what happens when a nations people really get mad. As I say, give it time! I am not saying UKIP, would repilcate as dire as that, but who else is lurking out there, waiting there chance. UKIP is democratic party - in my view our only hope of avoiding another disaster like we saw in the early part of the last century. I hope I am wrong on this, but history tells me otherwise. All you will get with the present adminstration is more of what Labour delivered for thirteen years.

[uncon]

Frankly, Uncon, you voting UKIP would be like me voting Gay Liberal. Seriously, I wouldn"t say people are stupid. As Midas says UKIP have no experience of goverment, and obviously that makes people nervous but niether have the Lib-Dems, who are now part of the coalition. As I say the Liberal alliance is doomed to failure. It is doomed to failure because they can"t connect with the people:

They can"t see that people want strong law and order.
They can"t see that people want mass immigration stopped.
They can"t see that people are fed up with billions of pounds being given away away to black dictators.
They can"t see that £45 millon a day to the EU is a waste.
They think the people are stupid, by denying them referendums on all major issues.

I could go on for hours about the lack of knowledge the all the main parties have. True, they are attempting to address some of these issues - but very half-hearted measures, compared to UKIP. We live in a society that won"t send back potential murderers back to their homeland, in case they are executed or tortured. What "Hug a hoodie" cameron and "do-gooder" Glegg don"t realise is we the public, couldn"t give two hoots about scum like this. If this fate befalls them - that is a matter for Pakistan, not a matter for the UK goverment.

I don"t think of this election of 2010 as defeat. With MR cameron having a purge on the right, to appease his Liberal pals, where are the right-wingers going to go. The election of June 2015, I think will be very different, I believe. UKP will have more expertise, more money and more high profile names; let us not forget they have been formed less than 20 years, and came second in last years Euro election. Also, let us not forget the people are not hungry enough yet. Ok, I think this adminstration with it"s economic measures is a step in the right direction, but not cure you have to look elsewhere for that. Mr Farage, may speak his mind, but that is what we need. Not a neutered leader like Cameron, who"s liberal, not a Tory. As I say within ten years you will see I am right. Not because I know anymore, but that is how things have worked, throughout history.

you have a problem with gay people?

[Don]

you have a problem with gay people?

And here we thought you had been paying attention

[Opinionated]

As I say UKIP is only a small party at present so can"t compete with the top 3 - out of touch as they are. The top three have very large support that is true. However, putting aside the tory elite academics, "do-gooders", and people such as Cameron, who have as much idea of life, as I do about ballet dancing, there is huge support for UKIP - I KNOW, I MEET THEM EVERYDAY!

Yes I know a few and yet when they get to the ballot box they vote Conservative because at heart they don't trust UKIP, the thread is asking why people don't vote UKIP and that's one of the reasons - people don't trust them. As for your point about Cameron, with which I have some sympathy, Dulwich college may not quite be Eton but Farage's life has hardly been what one might consider tough!

Whether you like it or not, people do want tradtional values, such as I have mentioned.

Yes I quite agree as a nation we do tend to do a lot of looking at the past through rose tinted spectacles and calling for 'traditional values'. However most people aren't stupid enough to really think we can turn back the clock to simpler times.

Afterall, you can"t compete with millionare sponsors who put their purse before their priciples; will they live among all the negativity I have mentioned in my posts.

Unless you claim £2 million in expenses from British tax payers money whilst making a stand against Europe in Europe, wonder if anyone's had that idea - oops so they have!

You asked for an example. I can give a much better example than Mr Powell. Adolf Hitler

I just knew you'd go there! I'm not going to invoke Godwin because I want to revel in the comparison for a bit! What Hitler did in most of his speeches was hark back to the glories of the Hapsburg empire (conveniently forgetting Germany was essentially Hungary's bitch), he talked the talk about strong law and order (didn't need to bring back hanging because he just shot anyone he didn't like - plus they had capital punishment until 1949 anyway), blamed every social problem on immigrants and harked on and on about moral fibre! Remind you of anyone? Most people, even if they have sympathy for what UKIP sees as 'common sense' recognise that simple rhetoric is just that and any situation is going to be far more complex.

That is what happens when a nations people really get mad. As I say, give it time! I am not saying UKIP, would repilcate as dire as that, but who else is lurking out there, waiting there chance. UKIP is democratic party - in my view our only hope of avoiding another disaster like we saw in the early part of the last century. I hope I am wrong on this, but history tells me otherwise.

The twentieth century is unique in it's historical context due to it being the end of European Empire, whilst it is valid to make comparisons we will never again see the same sort of boiling pot which led to high profile assassinations and two World Wars with all the intervening economic issues, ironically in large part due to the existence of the EU!

...All you will get with the present adminstration is more of what Labour delivered for thirteen years.

Yes I imagine so, still - could be worse mustn't grumble http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/s...basic/wink.gif

[TheMixer]

I might do next time. I think the EU's progress to a superstate is just too flawed. I don't think you can have all those nations with all their different languages and all that history and then try and amalgamate them which, imo, is the whole goal of the thing. It could work like the U.S.A in time with one Presidient and we'd all be a lot safer from Russia and China and even the U.S.A but I just can't it, now.

[Don]

I might do next time. I think the EU's progress to a superstate is just too flawed. I don't think you can have all those nations with all their different languages and all that history and then try and amalgamate them which, imo, is the whole goal of the thing. It could work like the U.S.A in time with one Presidient and we'd all be a lot safer from Russia and China and even the U.S.A but I just can't it, now.

IMHO, forming a true European super state along the lines of the U.S. would prove very difficult for the very reasons that you enumerate.

I'm just wondering what exactly Europe, united or not, has to fear from the U.S., aside from our decadent culture and our indolent work ethic?

[uncon]

And here we thought you had been paying attention

Hell no..UKIP quite happily destroy themselves from within...it feels slightly sordid to help out

[octopus]

you have a problem with gay people?

No. But I wouldn"t vote for them, as I am neither gay or Liberal. You have to be honest, the gay Liberal movement is used by countless comics over the years as source of fun, to show the absurd side of politics. Everybody from the Two Ronnies to Benard Manning. You may say homophopic, but they like me, would say funny.

[octopus]

Yes I know a few and yet when they get to the ballot box they vote Conservative because at heart they don't trust UKIP, the thread is asking why people don't vote UKIP and that's one of the reasons - people don't trust them. As for your point about Cameron, with which I have some sympathy, Dulwich college may not quite be Eton but Farage's life has hardly been what one might consider tough!

Yes I quite agree as a nation we do tend to do a lot of looking at the past through rose tinted spectacles and calling for 'traditional values'. However most people aren't stupid enough to really think we can turn back the clock to simpler times.
Unless you claim £2 million in expenses from British tax payers money whilst making a stand against Europe in Europe, wonder if anyone's had that idea - oops so they have!

I just knew you'd go there! I'm not going to invoke Godwin because I want to revel in the comparison for a bit! What Hitler did in most of his speeches was hark back to the glories of the Hapsburg empire (conveniently forgetting Germany was essentially Hungary's bitch), he talked the talk about strong law and order (didn't need to bring back hanging because he just shot anyone he didn't like - plus they had capital punishment until 1949 anyway), blamed every social problem on immigrants and harked on and on about moral fibre! Remind you of anyone? Most people, even if they have sympathy for what UKIP sees as 'common sense' recognise that simple rhetoric is just that and any situation is going to be far more complex.

The twentieth century is unique in it's historical context due to it being the end of European Empire, whilst it is valid to make comparisons we will never again see the same sort of boiling pot which led to high profile assassinations and two World Wars with all the intervening economic issues, ironically in large part due to the existence of the EU!

Yes I imagine so, still - could be worse mustn't grumble http://www.freesmileys.org/smileys/s...basic/wink.gif

As I say UKIP is a very new party - just starting out. However, I think there is a very good future for them. Why? despite what you think, the values I hold dear are in the hearts of the British people - and will be a thousand years from now. They have been condtioned to believe, even by the right-wing press, to boycott UKIP in favour of the Tories, because it was a wasted vote, and could keep Gordon Brown in power; I can see the logic in that. However, what most people forget, is the fact we don"t have a true Conservative party anymore - as the coalition implies, it"s a Liberal party. A Conservative party like Lady Thatcher ran, doesn"t exist anymore - If it did, I would still vote for them! I wouldn"t call people stupid, they just don"t follow the events like we do - but they should be allowed to be in charge of their own destiny. It"s very wrong to treat them like idiots - THEY ARE NOT! They put these overpaid civil servants in their jobs, but allowed no say. True, we are going to have the biggest changes since the 1832 reform act. But to me, that"s not good enough - I want referendums on all important issues such as capital punishment.

There is a lot of talk about Nigel Farage, although Lord Pearson is the leader, I should know, I voted for him. Nigel Farage gives me confidence, as did Lord Pearson at the party conference: He mentioned certain issues that our two elected leaders, choose to ignore - but should confront. If I was to say Mrs Duffy, I think you know what I mean. Also, Law and order and the appaling waste of money which could be given back to our services at home. I personaly, am pig sick seeing charity collections for organisations like like NHS - which should be funded by us - THAT IS RIGHT - WE SHOULD LOOK AFTER OUR OWN! In both cases Farage and Pearson"s backgrounds are appropriate - we do not want leaders that sound like extras from eastenders, or from the Labour party.

I am not saying everything in UKIP is perfect. Unless you have programmed robots, that"s not going to happen. If you elected a devout christian cult you"d have inapropriate doings, or behavoir - with human beings that always going to happen; you only have to look at the top three for that.

UKIP has far more to offer than just words: I voted for them because THEY are party I believe in - and subscribe too, for the reasons I state. I believe we should combine tradtional values, with modern ideas - but within the bounds of common sense. If we continue on our present path of complacency, the 21st century, could be even more violent than the 20th. I think deep down you know it makes sense. The alternative to UKIP would be much worse.

And with Cameron"s purge of the right, who do you think they will run too? In ten years you will see a very different party!

[octopus]

Hell no..UKIP quite happily destroy themselves from within...it feels slightly sordid to help out

Like the Labour party you mean.

[Don]

Like the Labour party you mean.

So birds of a feather in that respect uh?

[uncon]

No. But I wouldn"t vote for them, as I am neither gay or Liberal. You have to be honest, the gay Liberal movement is used by countless comics over the years as source of fun, to show the absurd side of politics. Everybody from the Two Ronnies to Benard Manning. You may say homophopic, but they like me, would say funny.

I'm not a middle class white guy but I have no problem voting for them if their policies suit.

Now I want you to sit down and listen to Aunty Uncon here....Gay people can do maths too, and (you may need to take a breath here) some of them are very smart and solve a financial crisis as well as a straight man and they don't have to have intravenous Abba injections.

Heres the kicker...you are going to love this...both straight and gay people tell jokes about homophobic, mysogynistic prats who think that humour died after being constantly asked to take someones mother-in law...with all due respect and I say this from experience love - YOU are the joke now.

[octopus]

So birds of a feather in that respect uh?

Except UKIP would cure Britain, Labour have wrecked it.

[uncon]

Except UKIP would cure Britain, Labour have wrecked it.

What scares me about UKIP is the false diagnosis before the treatment

[octopus]

I'm not a middle class white guy but I have no problem voting for them if their policies suit.

Now I want you to sit down and listen to Aunty Uncon here....Gay people can do maths too, and (you may need to take a breath here) some of them are very smart and solve a financial crisis as well as a straight man and they don't have to have intravenous Abba injections.

Heres the kicker...you are going to love this...both straight and gay people tell jokes about homophobic, mysogynistic prats who think that humour died after being constantly asked to take someones mother-in law...with all due respect and I say this from experience love - YOU are the joke now.

Middle-class? What"s middle-class? i am very working-class. UKIP have everybody in their ranks. We are just united by a desire to reserect good, coomon sense values, which are good for the UK - all of which you and your friend from over the water are well aware of. However, not necessarlly for our competitors or adversaries. Sorry about that!

Now, Auntie Uncon, from uncle Octopus. I am well aware of the contribution of the homsexual community, from Oscar Wilde to Paul O" Grady. Indeed they can laugh at themselves - that is good; they need to really. But why do they have to make a big point about. I like certain types of women, but I don"t tell the whole world. As long as they keep to over 18s, fine. Personaly, I not interested.

Now, another example, which you might not be aware of: Black people also can laugh at themselves. The amount of black people that say that they loved Jim Davidson"s "Chalky White". Jim doing the Afro-Carribean voice - they really used to get off on that. The irionic part of that is a lot of white Liberals thought it was racist. That is why I say they are living in Cloud Cukoo land.

Undoubtly, you will find gays in UKIP, like you will find ethnics. The only difference between UKIP and say, the present adminstation, is that UKIP maths stands a better chance of helping the British worker, rather than worlds charity cases. Sounds good to me!

[octopus]

What scares me about UKIP is the false diagnosis before the treatment

Do you honestly believe that this coalition is going to solve the problems caused by 13 years of Labour rule? You say false diagnosis? When I subscribe, or vote for a party, I look at their policies. This country is in deep, deep trouble. We need a party that has the policies, and the straight talking UKIP has to offer. It may all be hot air. Untill they are elected we don"t know, do we? But what I can say 100% conviction is that UKIP has the tools to make Britain Great. Tools, I hear you say? POLICIES! I read the UKIP manifesto when I joined and it filled me with optimism - unlike the main parties manifesto, which done the complete opposite to me.

[uncon]

Middle-class? What"s middle-class? i am very working-class. UKIP have everybody in their ranks. We are just united by a desire to reserect good, coomon sense values, which are good for the UK - all of which you and your friend from over the water are well aware of. However, not necessarlly for our competitors or adversaries. Sorry about that!

Now, Auntie Uncon, from uncle Octopus. I am well aware of the contribution of the homsexual community, from Oscar Wilde to Paul O" Grady. Indeed they can laugh at themselves - that is good; they need to really. But why do they have to make a big point about. I like certain types of women, but I don"t tell the whole world. As long as they keep to over 18s, fine. Personaly, I not interested.

Now, another example, which you might not be aware of: Black people also can laugh at themselves. The amount of black people that say that they loved Jim Davidson"s "Chalky White". Jim doing the Afro-Carribean voice - they really used to get off on that. The irionic part of that is a lot of white Liberals thought it was racist. That is why I say they are living in Cloud Cukoo land.

Undoubtly, you will find gays in UKIP, like you will find ethnics. The only difference between UKIP and say, the present adminstation, is that UKIP maths stands a better chance of helping the British worker, rather than worlds charity cases. Sounds good to me!

Thats Wonderful!

Give me a shout next time you want to change your posting attitude. I'm looking forward to it

[Don]

The only difference between UKIP and say, the present adminstation, is that UKIP maths stands a better chance of helping the British worker, rather than worlds charity cases. Sounds good to me!

Apparently that's not the message the British electorate received as UKIP managed to clock zero seats. Perhaps they were laughing too hard to mark the 'correct' box.

[octopus]

Thats Wonderful!

Give me a shout next time you want to change your posting attitude. I'm looking forward to it

Be delighted, Auntie Uncon. Likewise, when you wish to come over to the real world, would you please let me know.

[octopus]

Apparently that's not the message the British electorate received as UKIP managed to clock zero seats. Perhaps they were laughing too hard to mark the 'correct' box.

For someone that pulls me up on sarcasm - YOU CERTAINLY ARE NO STRANGER TO IT! As I have said UKIP was created less than 20 years ago. The two winning parties, and labour have hundreds of years of collective experience. UKIP can"t compete with that. They can"t compete with high profile celebs, Like Michael Cain for the Tories, Ross Kemp for Labour. The Sun Newspaper also rooted for the Tories. To say nothing of all the millions of pounds of cash from millionaire sponsors, the Labour party have the trade unions in addition to their big sponors, as do the Lib-Dems. This means that they have a lot more firepower at their disposal The only thing really going for UKIP is that they do know what people want. They rely a lot on what ordinary people like myself contribute - and despite the result there is a lot. But as we all know, big names and organisations won"t go for small parties like UKIP.

There is the other problem of complacency. Lots of people vote for parties that they always have voted for. In fact, if a monkey put on their chosen parties colours it would be elected. I speak to people who vote labour, who frequently use racist language, homophopic language and would make me, look part of the PC brigade. By laws of logic they should be voting for the BNP, or even NF. People should vote for what they believe in!

Also, I think you have to look at the larger picture. Untill 1924, Labour were not elected (they probably won"t be re-elected for another 100 years, or so); although they were formed at the start of the 20th century. All parties and organisations have learning curves. What happend in 2010 is not going to shape the future of UKIP - but what happens in the next 20 years will. Watch this space! The monopoly of the big three is coming to an end!

[Pleasant]

Hi,

I did I also did lots of leafleting for them too. I've still got the blisters on my feet!

[Don]

For someone that pulls me up on sarcasm - YOU CERTAINLY ARE NO STRANGER TO IT!

No, you 'pulled me up on sarcasm', I simply pointed out when you did, that your original comment 'reeked' of it. Use all of it you want, I didn't object at all, I objected to your jumping on me for it and being a hypocrite about it.

As for the rest of what you say, I can only repeat that if UKIP actually knew what the 'people' wanted they would have tallied more votes. You may be right, but I doubt it.

[octopus]

No, you 'pulled me up on sarcasm', I simply pointed out when you did, that your original comment 'reeked' of it. Use all of it you want, I didn't object at all, I objected to your jumping on me for it and being a hypocrite about it.

As for the rest of what you say, I can only repeat that if UKIP actually knew what the 'people' wanted they would have tallied more votes. You may be right, but I doubt it.

I think we both do our share. But take it from me they do. In a situation like this you have to go beyond black and white logic. when you speak of tough law and order, tough on immigration and restoring values you think of far-right parties like the BNP. Talk of UKIP - GET OUT OF EUROPE- and that"s all. All that is needed is to promote themselves more. Plus as I say, people don"t wish to come out of their comfort zones.
The only ones in the know, are the members and supporters, like myeslf; I don"t think that"s always going to be the case, through.