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Senior MP
Interesting vid. Have you any remarks to make 'newspresenter' or do you just accept the word of this video, like a sheep, believing what they are told.Originally Posted by newspresenter
Sometimes I wonder what is the difference between those who 'know' the truth and those who are being brainwashed? Maybe both groups are mindless brainwashed sheep. I think maybe it is an issue of who you believe...so Newspresenter, who is your messiah? who does your thinking for you?
Senior MP
Its along the lines of all the vids AJ's made, that theres a relatively small number of very rich and powerful people who control society more than the rest of the population. The recent banking fiascos are prime examples.
If you way things up, no one who earns £5,000 a week (PM's, Presidents) could ever be world leaders. Some third division footballers earn more than them. World leaders earn £1,000,000 a week minimum.
The House of Rothschild is worth something in the region of £100,000,000,000,000 Trillion.
1000 million = 1 billion. 1000 billion = 1 trillion.
So no group/family worth so much is going to let a Barry Soetoro (Barack Obama) make crucial decisions that would threaten their wealth.
Therefore, what the "conspiracy theorists" like David icke and Alex Jones say has very real credence, PM's and Presidents are puppets. A child can work that out. We do vote for them, but the main choices are government red, government blue, government yellow, hence the emergence of PEOPLE party's.
Why are the media giving us PM's and presidents on our tv sets? Are you thinking you should investigate our rulers?
I don't believe everything in that video. My Messiah is me.
Watch this from 7min45secs Aaron Russo, producer of Trading Places, now dieing from cancer, talking about his conversation with David Trillionaire Rockefeller http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GOfu...eature=related
If that interests you, watch Aaron's documentary America: Freedom to fascism, absolutely brilliant.
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Banned
I firmly belive that the election of Barrack Obama as the first Afro-American President is a sure signal of change that America as a country will witness. Obama will give direction to the American society at all levels, be it political, social or economical. Let us remember this historical moment forever by procuring the Blue Souvenir Card. Each one of us await the fulfillment of promises by Obama, which I am sure he will in times to come.
Senior MP
But will the change be any good? Will his gafers tell him to do good things? So far he's a lieing toe-rag.
Yes I think we should investigate our rulers. In fact I think it is bad for democracy that so many don't question what they are told on TV. I thus think people like you, newspresenter, are actually a credit to democracy. However I was warning of trap that just becoz TV news/ newspapers are suspect people may (I hope you don't) dismiss them altogether and believe people like David Icke totally. This is just the same for me. There are sheep to believe everything th TV says and sheep who believe everything the conspircy theorists say, to me this is equally bad.
The trick is to remain critical of both.
As for Obama. So far he seems to be vast improvement on the previous president. I am a little wary of his religous beleifs (but this is cultural - I am Englsih and we tend to suspect this sort of thing where as in the US it is the polar opposite).
Anyway cheers for the links. I am never one to dissmiss anything out of hand.
Chancellor
I don't see what your point is. All societies, from the most primitive to the most advanced, from the most left wing to the most right wing, are controlled by a very few powerful individuals or families, and they got into that position simply because they were more determined to succeed than 99.9% of people. Even the most aggressive form of communism didn't eradicate that, it simply gave the ruling elite their own power, wealth and influence over everyone else.
To follow all the weird and wonderful conspiracy theories there are simply because you don't think it's 'right' that some people have the power to achieve over others who don't, is IMO exceedingly narrow minded and divorced from reality.
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised 'for the good of its victims' may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us 'for our own good' will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." -- C.S. Lewis
Senior MP
I don't believe everything anyone says. Im critical of everyone, if i don't ask questions of everything, i'll never know the truth.
Improvement?
Isn't it interesting how Barry and Bush have fun together, and yet they're suposed to be
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Senior MP
Your first paragraph is a contradiction.
Your second is fine, so long as it doesn't attack peoples freedoms, which it does.
And to extend things more deeply, our rulers lie claiming they encourage democracy, but its clearly not, maybe in their deluded eyes, but not sensible eyes.
So there comes a point whereby Mr & Mrs Jones become disolusioned with the democratic way, and seek to change it, thats democracy.
Earth does not belong to the House of Rothschild, but if your argument is that it is because they cleverly earnt power/control over the years, then were all their slaves.
If thats the case, the HoR have created an enemy. Are the HoR the way forward with vision like theirs?
Senior MP
seriously? most world leaders dont earn this in a YEAR... except monarchs etc. .
Senior MP
Most world leaders don't earn what?
Senior MP
Your average Elected world leader will earn about $300,000-400,000 a year.
Secondly, noone is worth £100,000,000,000,000 Trillion
Thats £100,000,000,000,000, 000, 000, 000,000 give or take a couple 0's
Why can't Jesus eat M&Ms?
Because they keep falling through the holes in his hands!
Jesus may love you, but he won't respect you in the morning.
Chancellor
That's absolute speculation based on a compounding of their known family wealth back in 1850, which was $6 billion. This was based on the research of Frederick Morton in his 1962 book 'The Rothschilds', and represented the corporate wealth, not the individual family wealth. Forbes magazine estimates their current personal wealth at around $1.5 billion. Their corporate wealth is a great deal more than that of course, but even so it's suffered considerably over the last couple of years, for instance just one of their hedge funds (the Atticus Fund) lost over $5 billion early last year.
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised 'for the good of its victims' may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us 'for our own good' will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." -- C.S. Lewis
Senior MP
Rubbish, world leaders earn that per day.
Its hearsay, but ive heard many people describe the House of Rothschild's wealth at around £100 Trillion upto $500 trillion, half the planets wealth.
1000 million = 1 billion. 1000 billion = 1 trillion 1,000,000,000,000
Chancellor
Where's your evidence for both of those claims - names and figures from authenticated sources? If you can't provide any they're pretty worthless comments.
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised 'for the good of its victims' may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us 'for our own good' will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." -- C.S. Lewis
Senior MP
Define authenticated sources? I said its hearsay, but if you google it via Jordan Maxwell, Alan Watt, Micheal tsarion, Alex Jones (possibly), David Icke. The first 3 are extremely knowledgable of our history.
Theres also many documentaries that claim the Rothschild fortune, Ring of Power (empire of the city) claims they own half the planets wealth, this is from the daughter of a 33rd degree freemason.
The Money Matters, another great documentary about our financial history amongst other things mostly about who rules the world, how and why etc.
No one who earns £5,000 a week (PM/president) could have world leader status, theres 3rd division footballers earn more, its ridiculous.
If you search all this, watchout for the bloodlines of every US president, veeeerrrry interesting. oooooooooooh i wish i was googling this for the first time again, great stuff.
Senior MP
David Icke and the other bunch you mention are just as bad as any unauthenticated sources. Would you seriously believe a man who thinks he's the messiah? Tony Blair's more likely to give you authentic information!
I suspect that in order to believe such racist, xenophobic, paranoid, ridiculous, far-fetched views, someone would need to have a great deal of issues with their psychology.
The comments are pretty worthless, what brings them about intrigues me...
Senior MP
Lol, you silly man, there's not even that much money in the world. Not even in electronic credit...
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Senior MP
David doesn't believe he's the messiah.
I didn't say they had that much in money you retard, i said wealth.
Senior MP
hehe... just wanted to see what you made of that oneSeriously though, David Icke does have some odd views in relation to lizards and suchlike, do you subscribe to those views too? or is that not a good reason to doubt his credibility?
In terms of wealth, so what exactly do you mean? and what's your source of information on the Rothschilds? if you're getting your information from bullshit conspiracy websites then how do you know they are trustworthy and reliable and why do you choose to believe them over any other website?
We have to realize that we are as deeply afraid to live and to love as we are to die. RD Laing
Senior MP
I like david, but i don't follow the lizard stuff. Most of the other stuff is credible.hehe... just wanted to see what you made of that one
In terms of wealth, so what exactly do you mean? and what's your source of information on the Rothschilds?
Wealth is money, property etc. Like they control the BoE, co-control the US via the federal reserve, have controlling interest in the association press and reuters, plus fleet street. Ive told you the sources.
Senior MP
But don't you judge people on their characters? what does it say about someone when they talk of lizards running the world? doesn't that make you wonder whether he's a good source of reliable information?
If I went up to someone to ask for directions, but overheard them saying 'I think lizards are running the world', I think I'd go away and ask someone else.
If I can't trust someone to give me advice with directions, then it would be pretty mad of me to trust their advice on politics and history. Don't you think?
We have to realize that we are as deeply afraid to live and to love as we are to die. RD Laing
Senior MP
Crikey, well, in which case wealth is very hard to put a figure on. The Rothschilds are a big family spread all over the place, but I doubt they all know one another very well!... I've got about twenty cousing in Ireland, but I've probably only seen two thirds of them a couple of times in my lifetime. Do you suppose that being a 'family' means that they stitch everything up for one another's benefit?
Anyway, are your sources just videos on youtube? I mean, that's fair enough but shouldn't you read something every now and then? and preferably by some recognised historians?
We have to realize that we are as deeply afraid to live and to love as we are to die. RD Laing
Senior MP
I judge by evidence.
David's opinions on lizards seem wacky, but the vast majority of what he says contain hard evidence, mostly proveable. He's more reliable on his subject than most elected politicians.
In that sense, you wouldn't trust anyone as everyone would surely have a belief thats weird to you.
David has enourmous support. He spoke to an audience of 7,000+- 2/3 years ago at the brixton academy, for 8 hours. He probably spent 10mins talking about lizardry. he talks more about the Big Brother society than anything else, which is something 10's of millions around the world atleast, are interested in.
Senior MP
Im sure most adults can recall a family somewhere stitching others up, like the Irish one in London, Krays, its not totally rare. If your wealth is massive, you therefor have a great life, never need for owt, money gives you power, so if you're interested in keeping that power, you use it to stay at the top of the ladder. The Roths have been at the top for 250 years, coincidence? They're brilliant at manipulation, and they have the tools to do so.
Must admit, not a great reader, my sources are mostly documentaries of those that have studied hundreds of books, literature, people's first hand experiences etc. I don't hear something and think, haha they're 100% right, there has to be back up. When several people who've researched the same subject say the same thing, its worth noticing. Logic then comes in.
For example, like most people, i was totally sure muslims solely commited 9/11, but in 2004/5 i watch Loose Change which exposed 9/11, not brilliantly, but made me curious. By 2007/8 i'd watched loads of footage, read reports, its absolutely clear the official story is a sham.
I could create more holes than a sieve via 9/11. 7/7 is similar. Have you watched 7/7 the ripple effect, that will open your eyes.
On the subject of "historians". Not all are credible, meaning, those who win a war of somekind, write our history, thus its their version of events.
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