Why would someone hate Obama this much?

[Opinionated]

US probes Obama "death poll".


The US Secret Service is investigating a poll posted on social networking site Facebook, asking people if they think President Obama "should be killed". The poll, posted on Saturday, was taken off the site as soon as the company was made aware of it.

OK, I get it you don't agree with his policies, you don't like him personally, but why this much hatred? Is it just me or are the sorts of people calling for Obama's assassination not the same ones who claim to be Christian and have argued in the past that in the very least one should show respect for the office of President?

Is he bound to get assassinated? It's beginning to look like it. Future generations will no doubt look back on it and wonder how people could get so worked up over one policy to call for the death of their President.

[Kiwi 1691]

There is alot of hatred of socialism in the United States remember.

For example some people believe Obama is practical the same as Hitler and the Nazis.

The death poll isn't that shocking to me. In NZ there were calls by a man for the first political assassination in NZ. Because he opposed a law passed to make it easier to prosecute child abusers.

[flash]

OK, I get it you don't agree with his policies, you don't like him personally, but why this much hatred? Is it just me or are the sorts of people calling for Obama's assassination not the same ones who claim to be Christian and have argued in the past that in the very least one should show respect for the office of President

The guy is a real asshole and a danger to America. He is also an embarrassment to my country. He is not my President and never will be.

He does not deserve any respect from any decent human being.

Is he bound to get assassinated? It's beginning to look like it. Future generations will no doubt look back on it and wonder how people could get so worked up over one policy to call for the death of their President

No need to assassinate the dickhead. He is in the process of self destructing now. He will never get re-elected. For instance, his own party today rejected the "public option" in the heath care bill. That is one big slap in the face.

The only people that will vote for him the next time around are his fellow Negroes and the stupid Left Wingers. Hardly real America.

He may not even get through the primaries. I suspect Hillary Clinton will try to unseat him. She is laying low and staying out of the hot issues.

Of course at the end of the day the Queen of Mean is no better than Obongo and will do the same stupid things so the Democrats changing those horses won’t fix anything.

[claire]

Flash, how about you save your racist banter for your middle class bible humping nascar loving hick friends. Since...according to you those are the only real Americans.

Anyways, a lot of hatred comes from such outstanding examples of evangelical propaganda as this. YouTube - Is OBAMA the ANTICHRIST? - 12 of 19 characteristics are met! YOU MUST SEE THIS!

[flash]

Flash, how about you save your racist banter for your middle class bible humping nascar loving hick friends. Since...according to you those are the only real Americans.

Typically 92% of Blacks vote for for the Democrats. With Obongo I think it was 98%.

If that is not racial block voting then I don't know what is.

No real American would vote his or her race ahead of the interest of America.

I have heard the Liberals call Bush a monkey and a Nazi and the Devil and every name you can think of so you can save your hateful stereotypical anti Conservative banter for your atheists homo soccer loving commie friends.

Anyways, a lot of hatred comes from such outstanding examples of evangelical propaganda as this. YouTube - Is OBAMA the ANTICHRIST? - 12 of 19 characteristics are met! YOU MUST SEE THIS!

I don't think he is the Antichrist. He is just a dumbass Liberal that is destroying America. I felt the same way about Bill Clinton. If the President was Hillary Clinton I would be saying the same thing. No race here or ridiculous claims about the Antichrists.

I belong to the Lutheran church. We don't even believe in the Antichrist so your comments are wasted on me.

[claire]

The last comment was not directed at you. The first one was directed at you and your "negroe" comment. Perhaps, black voters believe that Obama will to solve many of the problems the black community is facing that were ignored at best in the last presidency. I, personally do not call Bush a monkey or what have you. So, please do not apply that to me you cracker.

[flash]

The last comment was not directed at you. The first one was directed at you and your "negroe" comment. Perhaps, black voters believe that Obama will to solve many of the problems the black community is facing that were ignored at best in the last presidency. I, personally do not call Bush a monkey or what have you. So, please do not apply that to me you cracker.

You can call me a Cracker anytime you want. That is considered an honor where I come from.

The Black community faces most of the same problems as the White community. When Blacks vote their race they putting their interest ahead of the interest of the country and that is wrong.

You are right. They may vote for a stupid Liberal that promises to give them 40 acres and a mule but that is not the right thing for the country.

When I see Blacks looking beyond their race and start thinking like real Americans then I will have a lot more respect for them. All they are doing now is voting to remain to be the vassals of the Democrat Party. It is pathetic.

There are only a handful of Blacks in America that understand that Obongo is destroying this country. The majority of Blacks can't see the damage because they are only looking at Obongo's race, not his destructive actions.

Not all Blacks are that way but there is a significant enough numbers of them doing it to justify the stereotype.

[claire]

Glad it does.
Perhaps better than voting a for a president that belongs to a party that has historically increased ethnic socio-economic gaps?

[DougieG]

Is anyone able to really answer Op's original question? Why are the right in the USA so full of hatred? You only have to read one of flash's posts to realise that he has this irrational demonisation in his head about people who aren't hardline right wingers, and I'm wondering why this is. I used to believe that it was because the right had nothing to back up their case, and thus they had to adopt a 'LA LA LA CANT HEAR YOU' approach in order to sustain their ideology, but I think that's too simplistic. Is it a failure of the education system? Is it a kind of cultural thing? Although there is also much dislike of the right, I don't think that the left stoop to such base levels of hatred over there.

Either way, its dangerous. The right are the ones with the guns, and they tend to be spread across demographics. I'm glad I'm not living in America now, from the content of Flash's posts it would be easy to believe that being a liberal would automatically get you shot in many places. I know that's not the case for the most part - the people I spoke to when visiting last were mostly conservative but were all pleasant and friendly. Perhaps its different in the deep south, or perhaps flash simply represents a group that are much more hateful than the average.

I can only assume that, like their religion, young Americans are brought up to be unquestioning and unthinking in their beliefs. It is interesting that the most highly intelligent people tend to be liberal in the USA, perhaps this is indicative of the fact that they received better education and learnt more to respect other views and other people, rather than dismissing everything that fell outside of their own bubbles as being wrong, evil or stupid. Places like MIT seem to lack the religion and conservativsm of southern america.

I have every respect for conservatives, and I'm ready to accept that they have a point. It just boils down to what world you would rather see. What I have no time for is conservatives who simply block out all other views. Look at Midas, Tete, Albion, all conservatives on this board who have been staunchly right wing and yet respectful of others and accepting of the fact that a lot of things are simply opinion as opposed to good and evil, or whatever flash, baldilocks and the like seem to believe.

I mean, healthcare is a brilliant example. Sure, the right have some sort of point when they say that people can make their own provision, personal responsibility etc etc, but in the UK those opposed to the NHS are at least capable of acknowledging the benefits of it, and that the poor don't automatically deserve to die of cancer. The American right seems unable to grasp this idea of considering points from two sides. They pick a side and that's it, and it leads to hate, misunderstanding and insults.

Can they not see that, even if they don't think Obama's plan is for the best, that he has the best of intentions and that it WILL have many positive effects? Can they not see the EVIDENCE, such as the skyrocketing cost of healthcare (the annual spending on healthcare in the USA is projected to be double the predicted GDP of the USA by 2020 if the current system continues) and the huge success of the NHS (albeit with a few issues, but fundamentally good). Not a single mainstream conservative in the UK argues against the NHS and this is because they can see what a good thing it actually is. Don't the Republicans think that the UK would have ended the NHS by now if it was as bad as they seem to believe it is?

Finally, on flash in particular. As a scientist (engineer) he will have always been trained to think in black and white, right or wrong, correct or incorrect. This method of thinking has been proven to be fundamentally different to the analytical style of a historian or a lawyer, and it is probably this to an extent that makes him believe that in all paths, not just that of maths and physics, there is this distinction rather than there being grey moral boundaries...

[flash]

Glad it does.
Perhaps better than voting a for a president that belongs to a party that has historically increased ethnic socio-economic gaps?

Obongo is hurting Blacks the same as Whites. The Blacks are just not smart enough to understand that because they vote their race. They think they will get more out of his policies than they will lose but they are dead wrong. Socialism does nothing to produce wealth, only destroys it.

Obongo policies of redistribution of income and wealth will do nothing but increase unemployment and decrease economic growth.

There is a big cost to big government and everybody pays the price, including the poor.

Socialism will make this country poorer and over the long run everybody will suffer, including the ones that voted for the Socialism in the first place.

[claire]

I'm going to reiterate that liberal in the US is a whole lot different than liberal in the UK.

[DC]

Typically, money, guns, lower education (in rural areas where the right thrives) and religion all fuel rampant sectarianism and so hatred. That's why the America right is crazy. In Europe, the right is A: much less extreme in general, and B: is a different kind of "Right" than the American Right.

[flash]

Typically, money, guns, lower education (in rural areas where the right thrives) and religion all fuel rampant sectarianism and so hatred. That's why the America right is crazy. In Europe, the right is A: much less extreme in general, and B: is a different kind of "Right" than the American Right.

What are you talking about? What do you mean "crazy"?

Are you talking about the Right to Keep and Bear Arms because if you are you need to understand that is a right guaranteed by the Constitution of the US. I don't know how the Constitution is perceived outside the US but here in the States we take our Constitutional rights very seriously and unlike the UK and Australia we don't think it is extreme to be able to protect yourself. It is the Left that has a rampant zeal to take away the Constitutional Rights that our Founding Fathers fought so hard to establish.

Religion is a good force in America and is also protected by the Constitution. Only the fearful and insecure Left feels religion is a threat. Atheism has always been a cornerstone of Left Wing philosphy and they have always always tried to destroy religion. The Left can't stand the fact that someone else may believe in something higher than their God of Socialism. If anyone has rampant zealotry it is the Left when it comes to religion. They hate it and will do everything possible to destroy it.

As far as education the Left has a record of pouring money into the Teacher's Unions and other school workers that kickback to the Democrat Party but the children don't get much out of it. The Union fatcats get rich but the students get little or nothing. For instance, all these big cities that support Liberals have the highest expenditures per student on education and the lowest test scores. Obongo's own Chicago and DC are two great examples. These two cites lead the country in the amount of money spent per student and have the worst test scores in the country. Meanwhile the more rual areas (that tend to be more Conservative) do much better.

The Left (mostly in the big cites where they thrive) in America is the hotbed of radicalism in the US and is the real danger. They are the ones that want to destroy America by killing the babies, taking away personal freedoms and ruining the economy by taking away the incentive to succeed.

[DC]

Stupidity mixed with easy access to arms (and an arms culture) as well as religion (and its respective closed-mindedness) along with greed is what causes problems. That is basically a cocktail for radical ideals, whether socialist or capitalist. In Russia it was Marxism, in Afghanistan it was Islam, and in the US it's capitalism. While obviously it's less extreme in the US, the fundamentals are there. The American right fights to maintain what they perceive as the status quo, and Obama, a black, socialist President upsets that status quo, hence the hate. Why that same hatred is not directed at republican Presidents by the left is because that cocktail of situations is not present in the American left.

The exception to that is the poor Black populations, who fill out almost all of the criteria, but lack that central ideological motivator (Capitalism, Communism, Religion).

[flash]

Stupidity mixed with easy access to arms (and an arms culture) as well as religion (and its respective closed-mindedness) along with greed is what causes problems. .

What the hell are you talking about?

The stupidly is rampant in the Left in America.

Th access to arms is a freedom guaranteed to us under the Constitution of the US. It is the culture of our nation and it is one of the reason we are strong.

To me the close mindlessness is the Left not accepting the freedom of religion. They are the ones threaten by it. Unlike Australia (whose first immigrants were mostly criminals) the US was founded by people escaping Europe for religious freedom. The Left hates religious freedom and fights against it whenever possible.

The most greedy people I know are Left Wingers. They give less to charity (I posted the stats in another thread) than Conservatives. They also make an industry out of stealing from the people that earned money and redistributing the the money to those that were too lazy to earn it in the first place. If that is not greed then I don't know what is.

You have a very convoluted way of looking at things, don't you?

[DC]

The Constitution is not the holy scriptures, simply because something is in the Constitution doesn't make it right. And anyway, I wasn't pointing out anything about why there was access to arms, merely that there was. Furthermore, the left isn't religiously intolerant, merely it is secular. The fact that America was founded by religious people further prooves my point of religion being endentured in American psyche. Most religions by nature seek to both expand and overcome contrary beliefs (other religions). In relation to greed, I think you'll find that the majority of American businessmen (wealthy ones) are conservatives with a strong majority.

You, Flash, and Tantal are examples of the militant American right. While you're probably not going to blow up a building, you can't deny that political extremism is more prominent in the right than the left in America.

[flash]

The Constitution is not the holy scriptures, simply because something is in the Constitution doesn't make it right.

It is to Americans. You wouldn't understand. It is the supreme law of the land. All other laws are subservient to it including any law to take the right the right to keep and bear arms. The only way it can be changed is through a Constitutional Convention or by a lengthy legal process requiring an act of Congress and ratification of a 2/3rd majority of the States.

And anyway, I wasn't pointing out anything about why there was access to arms, merely that there was. Furthermore, the left isn't religiously intolerant, merely it is secular. The fact that America was founded by religious people further prooves my point of religion being endentured in American psyche. Most religions by nature seek to both expand and overcome contrary beliefs (other religions). In relation to greed, I think you'll find that the majority of American businessmen (wealthy ones) are conservatives with a strong majority.

The thing that the stupid and hateful Left Wingers don't understand is that freedom of religion is not an excuse to deny the free practice of religion. The Left is on a crusade to wipe religion of the face of the earth. They can't stand the fact that other people may not want to live a secular life and will interfere in the free exercise of religion whenever possible.

You, Flash, and Tantal are examples of the militant American right. While you're probably not going to blow up a building, you can't deny that political extremism is more prominent in the right than the left in America.

We are real Americans. You have to remember that during the American Revolution a third of the people were rebels, a third loyalists and a third didn't give a crap. It was people like Tantal and I that were in the third that were rebels and we were the ones that help to establish this country. We are also the only ones that will take responsibility for the Republic when it is being destroyed by the "hope and change" of filthy Socialists like Obongo.

If people like Tantal and I give up then the Republic is lost.

[DougieG]

You, Flash, and Tantal are examples of the militant American right. While you're probably not going to blow up a building, you can't deny that political extremism is more prominent in the right than the left in America.

Tantal is far more sensible than flash. Although he holds the same political views as flash, he doesn't denounce all liberals as evil and stupid and has a lot more respect for others.

[angelcountry]

How will we hate the most powerful president in the world ?

Unless he called us toilet, what is it is that, he must respect and change his attitude most especially to other faiths thats it, no human being is nothing, all mankind is something infront of allah.