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    Even the French think we are weak because of Obongo

    This has to be the lowest of the low.

    Even the French are calling us pussies because of the weakness of Obongo.

    This ******** is a big embarrassement to my country.


    Big Government Blog Archive Sarkozy Mocks Obama at UN Security Council: Hello, Big Media?

    Obama: “We must never stop until we see the day when nuclear arms have been banished from the face of the earth.”
    Sarkozy: “We live in the real world, not the virtual world. And the real world expects us to take decisions.”
    The rest of Sarkozy’s remarks were, well, remarkable:
    “President Obama dreams of a world without weapons … but right in front of us two countries are doing the exact opposite.
    “Iran since 2005 has flouted five security council resolutions. North Korea has been defying council resolutions since 1993.
    “I support the extended hand of the Americans, but what good has proposals for dialogue brought the international community? More uranium enrichment and declarations by the leaders of Iran to wipe a UN member state off the map,” he continued, referring to Israel.
    The sharp-tongued French leader even implied that Mr Obama’s resolution 1887 had used up valuable diplomatic energy.
    “If we have courage to impose sanctions together it will lend viability to our commitment to reduce our own weapons and to making a world without nuke weapons,” he said.
    Mr Sarkozy has previously called the US president’s disarmament crusade “naive.”
    No American newspapers seem to have featured Sarkozy’s justifiably derisive remarks about Obama’s naivete regarding the realities of nuclear technology. Still we can be grateful for the freedom of the press, as embodied and celebrated by the Newseum — including the chilling reconstruction of segments of the Berlin Wall. These serve as a reminder that however oppressive or myopic the powers-that-be, news cannot be stifled.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flash View Post
    This has to be the lowest of the low.

    Even the French are calling us pussies because of the weakness of Obongo.

    This dickhead is a big embarrassement to my country.


    Big Government Blog Archive Sarkozy Mocks Obama at UN Security Council: Hello, Big Media?

    Obama: “We must never stop until we see the day when nuclear arms have been banished from the face of the earth.”
    Sarkozy: “We live in the real world, not the virtual world. And the real world expects us to take decisions.”
    The rest of Sarkozy’s remarks were, well, remarkable:
    “President Obama dreams of a world without weapons … but right in front of us two countries are doing the exact opposite.
    “Iran since 2005 has flouted five security council resolutions. North Korea has been defying council resolutions since 1993.
    “I support the extended hand of the Americans, but what good has proposals for dialogue brought the international community? More uranium enrichment and declarations by the leaders of Iran to wipe a UN member state off the map,” he continued, referring to Israel.
    The sharp-tongued French leader even implied that Mr Obama’s resolution 1887 had used up valuable diplomatic energy.
    “If we have courage to impose sanctions together it will lend viability to our commitment to reduce our own weapons and to making a world without nuke weapons,” he said.
    Mr Sarkozy has previously called the US president’s disarmament crusade “naive.”
    No American newspapers seem to have featured Sarkozy’s justifiably derisive remarks about Obama’s naivete regarding the realities of nuclear technology. Still we can be grateful for the freedom of the press, as embodied and celebrated by the Newseum — including the chilling reconstruction of segments of the Berlin Wall. These serve as a reminder that however oppressive or myopic the powers-that-be, news cannot be stifled.

    Whilst I share to a limited extent your admiration of Mr Sarkozy, I would point out that there are few countries in the western world who pursue their own interests to a greater extent than the French.

    However, by your own admission you take very little interest about global events outside you own country, and for this reason the immense lobbying power of the very considerable French armaments industry may just have escaped your attention. Forgive my cynicism but don't you feel there may be a connection here between perceived French economic interest and Mr Sarkozy's statement?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Major Sinic View Post
    Whilst I share to a limited extent your admiration of Mr , I would point out that there are few countries in the western world who pursue their own interests to a greater extent than the French.

    However, by your own admission you take very little interest about global events outside you own country, and for this reason the immense lobbying power of the very considerable French armaments industry may just have escaped your attention. Forgive my cynicism but don't you feel there may be a connection here between Sarkozyperceived French economic interest and Mr Sarkozy's statement?
    The only admiration I have for Sarkozy is the hot babe he has for a wife. I know he suppose to be Center Right in France but if he was here in the US he would probably be Left Of Obongo.

    I just think the US has hit a new low when the French are calling us pussies. It is a sign of the weakness of Obongo. Every American should be disgusted with Obongo.

    I have to go out and do some yard work this morning. I would go crawl under a rock and hide with shame but they don't have many rocks here in Florida. Maybe when I am cutting the grass I will just hang my head in shame.

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    Obama has an enormous approval rating in Europe, and in fact a very high one in America. Your hatred for anything other than full-on bigoted social conservatism appears to make you lose track of the fact that a large majority of people think he is great.

    You should hang your head in shame that you are opposed to free healthcare.
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    Economically motivated or not, I find Sarkozy's comments that a nuclear free world envisioned by Obama is largely fanciful. Nuclear wepaons and the issues involving them will not go away. People will continue looking for bigger sticks, and even if every country wanted to get rid of nuclear weapons, we would still have nuclear power, depleted uranium and the capabilities to refine it. It would just need one middle eastern wackjob and then the whole world is at his disposal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DCFGS3 View Post
    Economically motivated or not, I find Sarkozy's comments that a nuclear free world envisioned by Obama is largely fanciful. Nuclear wepaons and the issues involving them will not go away. People will continue looking for bigger sticks, and even if every country wanted to get rid of nuclear weapons, we would still have nuclear power, depleted uranium and the capabilities to refine it. It would just need one middle eastern wackjob and then the whole world is at his disposal.
    The other thing to consider in this dangerous world is that for a superpower to show weakness could invite trouble and make the world more dangerous. Of course Obongo never thinks about things like that.

    For instance, Obongo cut back substantially on the funding for the F-22, a fifth generation fighter. He could find money for every worthless and stupid little social program in the world but couldn't find money to continue production of the world's best fighter. Meanwhile other countries are building their 5th generation fighters. Maybe one of the days the preceived advantage of that capability by a belligerent power when they US doesn't have it could be a factor in taking a chance on initiating a conflict. Obongo would never think of something like that out. The only thing he can think of is how to take money from working Americans and redistribute it to his filthy constituency, which will destroy the economy in the long run.

    However, you are correct, it is the one wackjob that is the big threat, especially in the nuclear arena.

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    Everyone knows why Sarkozy hates Obama.



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    Quote Originally Posted by flash View Post
    The other thing to consider in this dangerous world is that for a superpower to show weakness could invite trouble and make the world more dangerous. Of course Obongo never thinks about things like that.

    For instance, Obongo cut back substantially on the funding for the F-22, a fifth generation fighter. He could find money for every worthless and stupid little social program in the world but couldn't find money to continue production of the world's best fighter. Meanwhile other countries are building their 5th generation fighters. Maybe one of the days the preceived advantage of that capability by a belligerent power when they US doesn't have it could be a factor in taking a chance on initiating a conflict. Obongo would never think of something like that out. The only thing he can think of is how to take money from working Americans and redistribute it to his filthy constituency, which will destroy the economy in the long run.

    However, you are correct, it is the one wackjob that is the big threat, especially in the nuclear arena.
    The F22 might just be the SECOND best fighter in the world - it sure ain't no SU30 though!

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    I do see the point here. As much as I hate the french (just for being french), he isnt talking nonsense.

    Whats the point of even discussing nuclear dissarment when you have two rebel countries doing the exact oppisite. It will only encourage them.

    And our government isn't taking any initiative either. Gordon Brown-nose getting rid of a very pricey submarine as a "gesture" towards global peace isnt going to make Iran rethink whatever their plan is.

    For reasons which they could not comprehend, and in pursuance of a decision by default, on which they were never consulted, they found themselves made strangers in their own country.

    All I know is that to see, and not to speak, would be the great betrayal. - Enoch Powell, Rivers of Blood speech, 1968.

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    Britons, French, Germans Solidly Back Obama

    Dougie is right.

    Though maybe Obama will screw up and become disliked...

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    It is simple nuclear weapons are immoral, we need to get rid of them all.

    Finally the world is catching up with where we were in the 70's.
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    Obama (thats his name) is not being weak by trying to bring about less weapons- he is being strong.
    Its easy to hide behind a heavy arsenal and not confront issues BUSH!), but Obama is taking stand that gives America real credibility for a change.
    Flash, to me you are a confused patriot raging about anything slightly liberal.
    If all you care about is how feared your country is then something is wrong.
    And doing something great is about letting go of foolish pride like yours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen Smith View Post
    Obama (thats his name) is not being weak by trying to bring about less weapons- he is being strong.
    Its easy to hide behind a heavy arsenal and not confront issues BUSH!), but Obama is taking stand that gives America real credibility for a change.
    Flash, to me you are a confused patriot raging about anything slightly liberal.
    If all you care about is how feared your country is then something is wrong.
    And doing something great is about letting go of foolish pride like yours.
    Obama is not being strong, he is being an idealistic liberal.

    Obama needs to be more realistic.

    Let's assume Obama gets a deal with Iran and every other country that everyone will give up Nuclear Weapons. So everyone but Iran does.

    We are screwed. The realistic theory of International Relations dictates that states will act in their best interest and will betray other states to achieve that goal.

    If, however, we follow the realistic theory and assume Iran would betray us, we merely apply pressure to Iran to get rid of theirs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen Smith View Post
    Obama (thats his name) is not being weak by trying to bring about less weapons- he is being strong.
    Its easy to hide behind a heavy arsenal and not confront issues BUSH!), but Obama is taking stand that gives America real credibility for a change.
    Flash, to me you are a confused patriot raging about anything slightly liberal.
    If all you care about is how feared your country is then something is wrong.
    And doing something great is about letting go of foolish pride like yours.

    Go and reread Sarkozy’s remarks about Obongo's weakness. He thinks Obongo is naive and that will lead to trouble. I don't think Sarkozy is a "confused raging patriot".

    The foolishness is you Socialist Europeans thinking that Obongo is your soul brother in socialism and so therefore all will be well. The world will become more dangerous with his weakness.

    As far as me goes I have a different agenda than you. My agenda is to keep America strong. Your agenda is to slowly seep into that cesspool of socialism and moral weakness. You hate America because it is not going into the cesspool with you as fast as you would like. You are enthralled with Obongo because he is dragging America into the cesspool with you and you love it. I hate him because of it. Two different agendas. I make no apologies for my agenda and your European Socialist are sure as hell not repentant about your filthy agenda.


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    Quote Originally Posted by flash View Post
    Go and reread Sarkozy’s remarks about Obongo's weakness. He thinks Obongo is naive and that will lead to trouble. I don't think Sarkozy is a "confused raging patriot".

    The foolishness is you Socialist Europeans thinking that Obongo is your soul brother in socialism and so therefore all will be well. The world will become more dangerous with his weakness.

    As far as me goes I have a different agenda than you. My agenda is to keep America strong. Your agenda is to slowly seep into that cesspool of socialism and moral weakness. You hate America because it is not going into the cesspool with you as fast as you would like. You are enthralled with Obongo because he is dragging America into the cesspool with you and you love it. I hate him because of it. Two different agendas. I make no apologies for my agenda and your European Socialist are sure as hell not repentant about your filthy agenda.
    European Socialists....................eh

    Not much Socialism in Europe - you need to keep up with world politics old chap - typical American thinking this - seeing the world through 'commie' sunglasses!

    LOOKOUT - there's a red under your bed - stinking commies...................McCarthyism so SO last century man

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liberal Authoritarian View Post
    Obama is not being strong, he is being an idealistic liberal.

    Obama needs to be more realistic.

    Let's assume Obama gets a deal with Iran and every other country that everyone will give up Nuclear Weapons. So everyone but Iran does.

    We are screwed. The realistic theory of International Relations dictates that states will act in their best interest and will betray other states to achieve that goal.

    If, however, we follow the realistic theory and assume Iran would betray us, we merely apply pressure to Iran to get rid of theirs.
    This post is so poor I don't know how to best slander it.
    Iran will never give up their nuclear weapons first- they know everyone is against them. the usa has to set an example.
    Your theory of "realistic international relations" sucks. It isn't in Irans best interests to have nuclear weapons- that makes them a target.
    We are not "screwed".
    Obama is being realistic enough, but you have to set some worthwhile aims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flash View Post
    Go and reread Sarkozy’s remarks about Obongo's weakness. He thinks Obongo is naive and that will lead to trouble. I don't think Sarkozy is a "confused raging patriot".

    The foolishness is you Socialist Europeans thinking that Obongo is your soul brother in socialism and so therefore all will be well. The world will become more dangerous with his weakness.

    As far as me goes I have a different agenda than you. My agenda is to keep America strong. Your agenda is to slowly seep into that cesspool of socialism and moral weakness. You hate America because it is not going into the cesspool with you as fast as you would like. You are enthralled with Obongo because he is dragging America into the cesspool with you and you love it. I hate him because of it. Two different agendas. I make no apologies for my agenda and your European Socialist are sure as hell not repentant about your filthy agenda.
    NO - i don't hate AMerica- i don't hate/love any country, only people.
    NO- I don't want the USA in the "cesspool" - I want it to be just fine, with poor people looked after and a more peaceful outlook
    NO- Obama isn't dragging the USA into the "cesspool"-

    He is pulling America OUT of it.
    Please don't call me / my "agenda" filthy, Flash- theres no need to be spiteful

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    Quote Originally Posted by Citizen Smith View Post
    This post is so poor I don't know how to best slander it.
    Iran will never give up their nuclear weapons first- they know everyone is against them. the usa has to set an example.
    Your theory of "realistic international relations" sucks. It isn't in Irans best interests to have nuclear weapons- that makes them a target.
    We are not "screwed".
    Obama is being realistic enough, but you have to set some worthwhile aims.
    If the US set an example it means they are acting in a liberal manner, whereas Iran will act in a realist manner.

    My theory? It is an established theory as is the liberal theory. At least the realist theory does not assume optimistism.

    From your point of view it is not in the national interest, the Iranian Government would beg to differ.

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