Terrorist attack? Texas

[Barry]

This is breaking news, so it could end up in the wrong section.

The Associated Press: Army: 12 dead in attacks at Fort Hood, Texas

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...a-reports.html

Won't make too much comment until there is more known.

[Barry]

Early reports said that the attacker, Malik Nadal Hasan, had been shot dead.
Now the reports say that he is alive and in custody, having been shot by a female officer at the base. ???
People on the base do not generally carry guns, except Police and Military Police, but the guns Hasan used were his own private guns, which he would not normally be expected to have on the base.
As Hasan is alive, we will probably eventually find out whether this was a "madness incident" or something more sinister.

A tragic incident for all the bereaved and injured.

Obama said that the shooter was killed!
Even he was apparently misinformed, what chance do we have of getting a straight story?

http://counterterrorismblog.org/2009...t_terror_a.php

[Kiwi 1691]

Terrorism??

What the hell, we all know it was a disgruntled military officer.

[fubar]

up date Telegraph with video

Fort Hood shooting: 13 killed and 30 injured at US Army base - Telegraph


the shooter Major hasan had allegedly called for Muslims to attack Americans, over the Iraq war it makes you wonder how much longer they can continue to have Muslims in the Armed forces any more to save further bloodshed.We will just have to see what his motives were?

[Barry]

Terrorism??

What the hell, we all know it was a disgruntled military officer.

No, we don't Kiwi.

Terrorism? - That is the question.
In fact I am still trying to ascertain whether he is dead or alive.
Perhaps the Feds haven't decided yet.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009...-shooter-alive
Alive, says the Guardian

[Barry]

Terrorism??

What the hell, we all know it was a disgruntled military officer.

Fort Hood shooting: gunman shouted 'Allahu Akbar' before opening fire - Telegraph

He shouted Allahu Akbar before opening fire.
Does that convince you, Kiwi 1691 ?

[fubar]

Fort Hood shooting: gunman shouted 'Allahu Akbar' before opening fire - Telegraph

He shouted Allahu Akbar before opening fire.
Does that convince you, Kiwi 1691 ?

barry Kiwi is in denile the thinks muslims are harmless one day he might change his mind but i doubt it

[Midas]

barry Kiwi is in denile the thinks muslims are harmless one day he might change his mind but i doubt it

But the overwhelming majority of Muslims are harmless. In many years of travelling around the Middle East, I've yet to meet one who wasn't as moderate as the average Brit, and just as concerned about terrorism and its effect on the world.

[fubar]

Update from the mail these ar some of the coments Major Nidal Hasan madeIf one suicide bomber can kill 100 enemy soldiers because they caught of guard that would be considered a strategic victory Retired colonel Tery Lee who worked with the major said:'he was so out spoken i once said to him, "look, you got to cool it." he was acting with open glee at the death of some soldiers by a suicide bomber. what makes it even worse this could have been stoped if someone acted upon these coments,colonel terry lee must feel some responsbility guilty. Comments like these could and should have ended Major Hansan career you have to ask what the hell were the FBI/CIA waiting for.

Fort Hood shootings: Army major Nidal Malik Hasan kills 12 and injures 31 in shootout with troops at army base | Mail Online

[fubar]

But the overwhelming majority of Muslims are harmless. In many years of travelling around the Middle East, I've yet to meet one who wasn't as moderate as the average Brit, and just as concerned about terrorism and its effect on the world.

Well i do hope your right for all our sakes

[Midas]

Well i do hope your right for all our sakes

Which is not to say I approve of their trying to push Islam on us, but that's a different, and very well discussed, topic!

[Barry]

Fort Hood shootings: Obama urges caution amid fears of backlash against Muslims | World news | guardian.co.uk

The authorities in the USA are really in denial over this one.
They can't accept that someone shouting Allahu Akbar whilst committing murder represents Islam.
Well, aren't they fighting against Islam in diverse places around the world, people who do exactly this in the name of Islam?

Homeland chief warns against anti-Muslim backlash - Israel News, Ynetnews

Napolitano said her agency is working with state and local groups to try to deflect any anti-Muslim anger after the Thursday attacks by Army Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, a Muslim who reportedly expressed growing dismay over the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. The shootings left 13 people dead and 29 wounded. "This was an individual who does not, obviously, represent the Muslim faith,"

Well, who does represent the Muslim faith?

[Kiwi 1691]

Fort Hood shootings: Obama urges caution amid fears of backlash against Muslims | World news | guardian.co.uk

The authorities in the USA are really in denial over this one.
They can't accept that someone shouting Allahu Akbar whilst committing murder represents Islam.
Well, aren't they fighting against Islam in diverse places around the world, people who do exactly this in the name of Islam?

Homeland chief warns against anti-Muslim backlash - Israel News, Ynetnews

Well, who does represent the Muslim faith?

Are you really that thick?

The soldiers around him bullied him mercilessly because of his Arabic Heritage, until he cracked.

This reminds me of the shootings at Columbine, where the shooters had been bullied terribly by the "Jocks" until they cracked.

Also he does not represent the Muslim faith as Islam preaches peace.

[Midas]

Are you really that thick?

No need for that Kiwi!

[Kiwi 1691]

No need for that Kiwi!

Well come on, people saying he is an Islamic terrorist based solely on the fact he is a Muslim. If he was a christian, I doubt there would be as many calling terrorist.

[pauli007001]

Are you really that thick?

The soldiers around him bullied him mercilessly because of his Arabic Heritage, until he cracked.

This reminds me of the shootings at Columbine, where the shooters had been bullied terribly by the "Jocks" until they cracked.

Also he does not represent the Muslim faith as Islam preaches peace.

Yet he ranted and raved at those who he was supposedly treating for combat stress?

There are two or more sides to this story, let em all be told, then somwhere between all of them will be the truth.

Or we could all jump to conclusions.

I heard that if you jumped off the tobin bridge whilst singing Money , Money, Money its a rich mans world, that you would land safe in the Mystic waters as a millionaire, why not try it, it must be true, its written down!!

[fubar]

news update
Fort Hood shootings: Army major Nidal Malik Hasan kills 12 and injures 31 in shootout with troops at army base | Mail Online

Fort Hood massacre investigators focus on suspect's internet activity | World news | guardian.co.uk

Fort Hood shooting | World news | guardian.co.uk

this is more a indepth report
Alleged Ft. Hood gunman may have 9/11 mosque link - Yahoo! News

[Barry]

Are you really that thick?

No, I am not thick at all, nor do I resort to personal insults.

Here is a renowned expert on Islam's view of the denial over this incident:

Sudden Jihad or "Inordinate Stress" at Ft. Hood? :: Daniel Pipes

But, of course, Daniel Pipes just could be thick.

[Barry]

Also he does not represent the Muslim faith as Islam preaches peace.

No, it doesn't.
The Qur'an teaches hatred towards Christians, Jews and infidels.
If you want the verses, I can quote them.

[Midas]

No, it doesn't.
The Qur'an teaches hatred towards Christians, Jews and infidels.
If you want the verses, I can quote them.

I think you'll find that the vast majority of Muslims treat those verses in exactly the same way that the vast majority of Christians treat the many verses in the bible which similarly advocate violence towards others; they ignore them. I can quote those too if you want them.

OK, I accept that some Muslims have a more literal interpretation of the Qur'an into daily life than many Christians do the bible, however let's not forget that many in the latter faith, particularly in the USA, are just as guilty of spreading hatred based solely on their religious beliefs!

[Barry]

I think you'll find that the vast majority of Muslims treat those verses in exactly the same way that the vast majority of Christians treat the many verses in the bible which similarly advocate violence towards others; they ignore them. I can quote those too if you want them.

OK, I accept that some Muslims have a more literal interpretation of the Qur'an into daily life than many Christians do the bible, however let's not forget that many in the latter faith, particularly in the USA, are just as guilty of spreading hatred based solely on their religious beliefs!

That might have been a very good point if the Major had been a Christian.
Christianity teaches to love one's enemies.

[Midas]

That might have been a very good point if the Major had been a Christian.
Christianity teaches to love one's enemies.

A generalised comment Barry, in exactly the same way your own was

[Tantal]

The soldiers around him bullied him mercilessly because of his Arabic Heritage, until he cracked.

I'm calling BS on that one. There are plenty of Arabs in the military who are treated just fine. Now, celebrating the deaths of your fellow soldiers at the hands of suicide bombers will get certain people to turn against you. Sounds to me like he should've been dragged out behind the barracks and had his ass kicked some time ago.

This reminds me of the shootings at Columbine, where the shooters had been bullied terribly by the "Jocks" until they cracked.

Ahhhh. Racism. The argument to end all arguments when you've got nothing else to stand on.

Also he does not represent the Muslim faith as Islam preaches peace.

Maybe they should quit preaching it so much and start practicing it. Every time there's a Muslim atrocity committed in the name of Allah, some people trip over each other trying to offer up defences and justifications. If Islam were as peaceful as everyone would like to believe, you'd think they'd do a better job of policing themselves on this issue. Personally, if a member of my church was discussing violent action against a mosque or synagogue, I'd take action. The Muslims? Nothing.

[pauli007001]

Are you really that thick?

The soldiers around him bullied him mercilessly because of his Arabic Heritage, until he cracked.

This reminds me of the shootings at Columbine, where the shooters had been bullied terribly by the "Jocks" until they cracked.

Also he does not represent the Muslim faith as Islam preaches peace.

Islam preaches ISLAM translated not as PEACE but SUBMISSION(to the will of God).A Muslim(mu Islam) is one who submits to the will of God.

Columbine?the victims deserved it again?

Not all the dead were Jocks, explain that, im too thick to figure it out.

Given that argument, i was Bullied daily at school in the UK, verbally assaulted for my poverty and appearnce(didnt have the best clothes) and beaten till i bled on a daily basis, i had firearms at home, quite an armory actually(by British standards) I never went to school and shot the place up.

[Tantal]

Given that argument, i was Bullied daily at school in the UK, verbally assaulted for my poverty and appearnce(didnt have the best clothes) and beaten till i bled on a daily basis, i had firearms at home, quite an armory actually(by British standards) I never went to school and shot the place up.

Ya see, Pauli, here's where I have trouble with the leftists. People such as myself, and you apparently, will be vilified for simply owning firearms, even though we've never victimised anyone. Then, you get a few asshats that actually DO victimise people, and the lefties can't rush to their defence fast enough. It's a pretty warped system of values.

[Kiwi 1691]

Islam preaches ISLAM translated not as PEACE but SUBMISSION(to the will of God).A Muslim(mu Islam) is one who submits to the will of God.

Is not the submission to a "god" the point of organised religion?

Columbine?the victims deserved it again?

Not all the dead were Jocks, explain that, im too thick to figure it out.

I never said they deserved it. What I said that it appears that he broke after along period of bullying LIKE the shooters at Columbine.

Given that argument, i was Bullied daily at school in the UK, verbally assaulted for my poverty and appearance(didn't have the best clothes) and beaten till i bled on a daily basis, i had firearms at home, quite an armory actually(by British standards) I never went to school and shot the place up.

But not everyone reacts the same. They vast majority would never do it, but as has been proven some do.

[Barry]

Maybe we will get the truth when the Major wakes up and gets asked some searching questions by the FBI.

Some hope.

[pauli007001]

Is not the submission to a "god" the point of organised religion?





I never said they deserved it. What I said that it appears that he broke after along period of bullying LIKE the shooters at Columbine.




But not everyone reacts the same. They vast majority would never do it, but as has been proven some do.

Submission to a God is a part of organised relegion, for most people it is not a major factor in their daily lives.

The Major was not Bullies, he was an officer, Officers tend to be treained to recognise and prevent bullying due to its detremental effect on force cohesion.Bullying is common in the ranks but not amongst the commissioned.Remember this man is the psychiatrist who launched into religious rants at his patients, id say he was the bully, abusing those he was supposed to care for.

Not evryone reacts the same, true, some people are nutters, others are not.Blame the nutter for being a nutter, not the alleged trigger for his nuttiness.

I knew a guy who would turn into a clown if he caught the smell of an orange, he became a giggling fool in seconds.If he ate an orange, he told me, he would go crazy and become violent, it was an allergy thing, he avoided oranges and learned to keep a lid on the silliness when he smelt an orange.The columbine nutters chose to let their hatred take over, for a nutter being a victim could be simply seeing another guy dating a girl you fancied, no one knows what caused these people to snap, they cant tell anyone on account of them being dead and all.

[Tourmaline]

This guy was a major. He was not rank and file. It would take a heck of a lot to convince me that he did this because he was bullied. Second, he was surrounded by psychiatrists and other medical doctors. This suggests that not only was he bullied by officers, but he was bullied by medical officers (even psychiatrists), not likely.

I have heard this called terrorism (which is what I would call it), and even a military attack on US soil, due to the fact that it clearly targeted the US Army. Either way this is not good for the administration, and I bet they spin him as a crazy gunman acting alone.

This guy was bad, and the only reason he remained in the Army is because Army officials were too scared to get rid of him because he is a muslim.

In any case, this guy is going to court marshal. Good luck explaining this one to a group of Army officers. If they put him to death it will be the first time a court marshal uses capitol punishment since the 1960s, if I remember correctly.

Tantal,

I found myself agreeing with most of what you said. Then I looked and saw you are from Texas.

[Tantal]

Tantal,

I found myself agreeing with most of what you said. Then I looked and saw you are from Texas.

May Bob Stoopes smoke a turd in Hell!

With the recent loss of Flash, the only other conservative on this board, I've been holding back the relentless wave of frothing leftist zealotry alone. Now there are two of us.......we've got these Limeys surrounded.

[Barry]

YouTube - Fort Hood Victim Tells CNN: Hasan Yelled "Allahu Akbar"

I agree Tourmaline, there is still plenty of room for spin.

Plenty of other attacks have been spun by the Government/MSM.

[Tourmaline]

Now there are two of us.......we've got these Limeys surrounded.

Agreed.

Wouldn't it be funny if Texas still doesn't make it to the championship, and instead it is Florida and Alabama?

[Kiwi 1691]

YouTube - Fort Hood Victim Tells CNN: Hasan Yelled "Allahu Akbar"

I agree Tourmaline, there is still plenty of room for spin.

Plenty of other attacks have been spun by the Government/MSM.

The athiests have won!!

One of the most hardline Christians here is making a point that the shooter is a bad guy becasue he said "God is the Greatest".

[pauli007001]

The athiests have won!!

One of the most hardline Christians here is making a point that the shooter is a bad guy becasue he said "God is the Greatest".

Allahu Akabar translates as allah(the one god) Is great.
The use of the name Allah in reference to a god is specific to the Islamic God.
The Jewish God is known as Jehovah.
Given that Hebrew and arabic are essentially the same language wouldnt the God have a name that at least sounded the same?

Jehovah and Allah sound completely different.
Yet Shalom and salaam sound close.........

The whole Cristian concept of God is kind of more confusing, some christians believe that Jesus is both God and the son of god, others that he is just the son of god, most believe he is divine, some do not.

I dont think you are on the button on this one Kiwi.

Then again neither am I!!!

Im going to Brush up on my knowlege of christianity, i will start by putting on my DVDs of all 5 seasons of Father Ted, then i will get back to you, if i learn anything that is!!!

[Kiwi 1691]

Allahu Akabar translates as allah(the one god) Is great.
The use of the name Allah in reference to a god is specific to the Islamic God.
The Jewish God is known as Jehovah.
Given that Hebrew and arabic are essentially the same language wouldnt the God have a name that at least sounded the same?

Jehovah and Allah sound completely different.
Yet Shalom and salaam sound close.........

Judasim, Christianity and Islam believe in they same god. The biggest difference between Christianity and Islam is that the Bible says that Christ is the son of God and I believe that the Koran says that Jesus is a prophet chosen by god.

The whole Cristian concept of God is kind of more confusing, some christians believe that Jesus is both God and the son of god, others that he is just the son of god, most believe he is divine, some do not.

Yes, it can be sometimes.

I dont think you are on the button on this one Kiwi.

Then again neither am I!!!

Im going to Brush up on my knowlege of christianity, i will start by putting on my DVDs of all 5 seasons of Father Ted, then i will get back to you, if i learn anything that is!!!

Gotta love father ted

have you ever watched the Vicar of Dibley?

The Vicar of Dibley - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Barry]

I believe that Arabic Christians also refer to God as Allah, but I'm not 100% sure of this.

They are different Gods.
Because...
On the inside of the Dome of the Rock, it says Allah has no son.

[Kiwi 1691]

I believe that Arabic Christians also refer to God as Allah, but I'm not 100% sure of this.

They are different Gods.
Because...
On the inside of the Dome of the Rock, it says Allah has no son.

Allah is Arabic for God, so an Arabic Christian would say Allah.

It says that because, Islam preaches that Jesus is a prophet not a god.

But they DO believe in the same god, many Christian beliefs about Jesus are also believed by Muslims.

Jesus: The Islamic and Christian Views Compared

Jesus in Islam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Islam and Christianity - Similarities and Differences

[Kiwi 1691]

The gunman is not a Muslim as he breached a very important rule in Islam.

[17:33] You shall not kill any person - for GOD has made life sacred - except in the course of justice. If one is killed unjustly, then we give his heir authority to enforce justice. Thus, he shall not exceed the limits in avenging the murder; he will be helped.

[pauli007001]

Judasim, Christianity and Islam believe in they same god. The biggest difference between Christianity and Islam is that the Bible says that Christ is the son of God and I believe that the Koran says that Jesus is a prophet chosen by god.




Yes, it can be sometimes.




Gotta love father ted

have you ever watched the Vicar of Dibley?

The Vicar of Dibley - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I have,hilarious!!I nearly converted to CofE but felt that it was wrong to turn my back on FR Ted and the one true faith!!!

[Barry]

YouTube - interview with US Soldier - latmaTV

[fubar]

YouTube - interview with US Soldier - latmaTV

that looked like a hoax to me if not very disturbing

[Barry]

that looked like a hoax to me if not very disturbing

Well, it was an excerpt from a satirical Israeli TV program. So, you would be correct fubar, but I am sure you got the points it made.

[fubar]

Well, it was an excerpt from a satirical Israeli TV program. So, you would be correct fubar, but I am sure you got the points it made.

Yes indeed

just found this on the web makes for very interesting if scary reading

1) http://www.ocregister.com/opinion/one-219268-hasan-diversity.html

2} Gloria Center: Why I Murdered 13 American Soldiers at Fort Hood: Nidal Hassan Explains It All to You [Article]


Quote from number 1 by MarkSteyn

Major Hasan was entirely up front about who he was he put it on his business card' SOA' as in a Soldier of Allah

Quote from number 2 by Barry Rubins

How do we know that the attack on Fort Hood was an attack of Islamic terrorism simple major Hassan told us so

Mr Rubins goes on to say:

Major Hassan is the first terrorist to give a academic lecture explaining why he was about to attack

You have to read link 2 and click on the blue highlighted {academic lecture} in blue have tried to create a link to the Washington post but the page has been deleated I wonder why ?

it might be me but i can't find it in my history either a little odd don't you think

I do wonder if the yanks are waiting for the big one before thay admit to the problem that is Islam or indeed the UK Goverment come to think of it?

[Barry]

You have to read link 2 and click on the blue highlighted {academic lecture} in blue have tried to create a link to the Washington post but the page has been deleated I wonder why ?

it might be me but i can't find it in my history either a little odd don't you think
I do wonder if the yanks are waiting for the big one before thay admit to the problem that is Islam or indeed the UK Goverment come to think of it?

Interesting articles, and the powerpoint presentation obtained by the Washington Post is astounding.
Hasan on Islam - washingtonpost.com
As you question about what the Yanks are waiting for, they are in denial, with the denier-in-chief in the White House. (He was brought up as a Muslim.)

[fubar]

Interesting articles, and the powerpoint presentation obtained by the Washington Post is astounding.
Hasan on Islam - washingtonpost.com
As you question about what the Yanks are waiting for, they are in denial, with the denier-in-chief in the White House. (He was brought up as a Muslim.)

Brain washing comes to mind afterall if he was broughtup as a muslim and if you look at the Muslim faith it's not hard to understand is it. The point is it all a front? as with Fort Hood how much do you need to know before you act we know to get the public behind you need a big event bigger than 9/11 imo?